[ti]Approved[/ti]Spraynom + Canistox

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Jun 13, 2015 19:04:07 GMT 1 jaywad said:

I only have two problems with this mon:
Tailwind: This mon has no tail so...
Giga drain: I know that its absorbing air, but giga drain is absorbing HP. Imo i don't really like it.

And that's it. I like this pokemon you did a nice job A

Tailwind: It's basically whipping up air behind you lol. But there's one thing I wanna say. Tailwind should probably be set as just a Tutor Move, Since tailwind doesnt really seem to fit its natural structure, but that's just my two cents.
Giga Drain: I kinda agree, since Giga Drain has to do with life sucking and not air sucking.

[jaywad]

Lol i guess since it had tail in it i thought it was whipping air with a tail.

[A]

I feel like Tailwind would make some sense in a way because it can use its tubes/nozzle to release air/wind. Tutor moves are a bit weird anyway, Greninja getting Gunk Shot, so many random things getting knock off, I mean it can suck up air? I'm considering gutting it though.

[Galom]

The level-up movepool is way, sway too small.

[A]

Hmm, what do you think of this then Galom ? I've expanded the movepool in a way and changed it so it gets moves every 5 levels.

[Hounds]

I think it's solid dude, it's ready for approval imo

[Hounds]

Actually, you should get someone to make the art for you. Then it'd really be finished.

[A]

I actually have art planned for it! Well non-colored concept art, I just need a way to get it on the internet.

[evilklefki]

also, I need it to be armless for me to imagine it as cute ;-; imagining it with arms makes I sound awkward and stuff

[Galom]

Canistox's level-up movepool is still too small. You've gotta include moves even at levels before it evolves. Besides that, this 'mon does look very good; I love the typing.

[blackburn009]

Canistox should learn moves between the levels of 1 and 45, even though it can't legally be obtained before then

[A]

But I guess yeah, I'll work on that maybe.

[Ace]

I'm glad someone has finally created a pokemon based on an inanimate object (most were based on animals). Stats seem to look good etc as is the typing and concept. I would add some more TMs if its possible (Can't really see any HMs fitting this).

[A]

Ace, I added some TMs to Canistox/Spraynom's line, and Galom, I've expanded Canistox's Movepool a bit, giving it a few non-spraynom moves.

[Galom]

I'm really liking this Pokemon now. The species name is very cool, and the movepool is looking good now, and the stats are acceptable. Overall an interesting Pokemon line.

Approved 1/3.

[A]

Awesome, Ace, Snaquaza, what are your opinions on this now? Honestly this is a finished product now, aside from the lack of pictures, which I may or may not upload soon.

Totally revamped Canistox's Stats thanks to the Poll, so yeah. Snaquaza, any thoughts?

[Hawkie]

These 'mons have came a long way since I last checked them, awesome! Personally I really like the whole concept, it's very well though out and extremely original. I have just one tiny qualm though, change the levels they learn moves at a bit. No Pokemon learns a move every 5 levels, just switch it up a little.

Otherwise they're honestly great, and I'd love to see these Pokemon in the game.

[biaf]

Jun 12, 2015 23:06:57 GMT 1 Snaquaza said:

I honestly like this suggestion. Haven't looked it through too much, but could you add some kind of animal or myth in there, even if its just a small thing in addition to the jetpack. Otherwise it may become a bit too inanimate. Otherwise it seems good, but I feel you need to have a good reason to have abilities besides Levitate, as only Bronzong has those, and I assume it just doesn't always float. Choose either Levitate or other abilities imo. Otherwise it looks fine, although I didn't look too well yet. Good job!

Just reminding you of this. I don't know about it myself but I guess we have to see the art! 

Besides this, I love the concept of this Fakemon. It's also executed fantastically. Great job A

[A]

Jun 17, 2015 16:37:02 GMT 1 biaf said:

Jun 12, 2015 23:06:57 GMT 1 Snaquaza said:

I honestly like this suggestion. Haven't looked it through too much, but could you add some kind of animal or myth in there, even if its just a small thing in addition to the jetpack. Otherwise it may become a bit too inanimate. Otherwise it seems good, but I feel you need to have a good reason to have abilities besides Levitate, as only Bronzong has those, and I assume it just doesn't always float. Choose either Levitate or other abilities imo. Otherwise it looks fine, although I didn't look too well yet. Good job!

Just reminding you of this. I don't know about it myself but I guess we have to see the art! 

Besides this, I love the concept of this Fakemon. It's also executed fantastically. Great job A

imgur.com/2Q4MpPY (It isn't much, I don't have a good camera plus I'm not good at drawing, but here we go. Spraynom.)

So uh Ace, waddaya think?

[Ace]

Stamping approval since I think you've done a good job with this. Approved 2/3. Remember to add the stuff Snaq bolded.

[kizzo212]

I would say this is looking really good. Wasn't too persuaded by the concept of an aerosol pokemon at first, but when things like magnemite exist, it's reasonable enough and now I think it's actually pretty cool. Only things I'm not too sure about are the level-up moves and abilities. As mentioned, you probably want to copy all the

As others blackburn009 said, Canistox needs move between 1 and 45. Doesn't seem that difficult as all you have to do is copy all the level up moves from spraynom (up to 45) into canistox's level-up movepool, inbetween "Start: Defog" and "Level 45: Gunk Shot", in a way that it has 7 "start" moves. This means that if someone were to randomly get a lv1 Canistox, it would have the last 4 of these starting moves, meaning it wouldnt have the relearn moves: flash cannon, gyro ball and defog. Of course, noone is really going to get a lv1 Canistox, but it is what the main games do and we should just follow the pattern (Well, I think that's the reason the main games do that).
Not too sure about Spraynom learning a move at lv45, evolving and then learning another move either, but I guess it might happen with some Pokemon. Also, as Hawkie mentioned, having it learn moves every 5 levels seems a bit odd. I'd suggest possibly changing it so it only gets a maximum of three "start" moves (canistox would still get the four and learn as level up as well, just see any fully evolved Pokemon such as hariyama for how it would work), making mist a level up at maybe around level 4, then clear smog at 8, smokescreen at 12, metal claw at 16, harden at 20, acid spray at 24, sludge at 28, then start going up in 5's again. There's probably a better way to do it than that, but that's the first thought that popped to mind. Also, what's the deal with spraynom learning automotize at lv50, but not canistox? I guess its a nice little reward for not evolving it, but I don't think it's too necessary. 

In terms of abilities, they all seem to fit, but as far as I'm aware (Snaq also mentioned this previously) there are no Pokemon that have a split ability with levitate. Almost all pokemon with levitate have it exclusively, and those who don't only have an extra hidden ability, such as duskull with frisk, and bronzong with heatproof. Therefore, I would have thought it would be better to follow that pattern and remove clear body, keeping levitate as its only "normal" ability and having aftermath for the HA. 

But yeah, these are just minor points, most of which are just restated things other's have already commented on, but I agree with what they are saying. Overall it seems very cool and once some changes are made (at least the moves inbetween 1 and 45), or you justify the reason why they shouldnt change, I don't see any reason for it not to get fully approved, unless anything else I missed pops up. 

[A]

kizzo212 I took most of your suggestions and yeah, they do fit better honestly. Snaquaza, I'm pretty sure this is ready to go. Only thing missing is Canistox's art, which we can tackle later.

[kizzo212]

Yeah. It looks really good now, but of course that's just my opinion. With the learnset for Canistox it should look like this though, I think:

Start: Flash Cannon
Start: Gyro Ball
Start: Defog
Start: Smog
Start: Tackle
Start: Poison Gas
Start: Mist
Level 4: Mist
Level 8: Clear Smog
> then the rest of the moves as usual

[kizzo212]

Another quick thing, have you included the base exp. gain anywhere? Can't seem to see it.

[Snaquaza]

I feel that you kept the stats of the prevo the same when you edited the main one, maybe change it so the ratios are better.

Why does it get Curse or Belch, I also feel Swallow is a bit strange. The fully evolved mon doesn't get hyper beam or giga impact, and you need to have Snore. Base 45 friendship is not possible and I heavily advice you to keep them the same. (aka 70). Why does it give 2 HP EVs now you changed the stats. I also feel the levelup movepool goes up a bit high.

Sorry for bad formatting, wanted to get this done.