[ti]Approved[/ti]Knightmare

[Cyberknight98]

Knightmare: The Execution Pokemon
Ghost/Steel-type
75 HP | 115 Atk | 80 Def | 40 SpA | 50 SpD | 105 Spe || BST: 465
Abilities: Infiltrator
Hidden Ability (Available): Insomnia

Does not evolve

Design: Knightmare is a tall, dark figure with golden eyes and a shadowy body. It wears cursed gauntlets that trap it in its physical form. It wields a large halberd that it can lift, effortlessly. Knightmares only hunt at night; they prefer to attack when their victim is sleeping, allowing them to easily finish off their prey with one swing of their halberd. For some reason, future victims of Knightmares are often alerted through prophetic-like dreams... though sometimes, these dreams come too late. This may have something to do with Darkrai and/or Cresselia. Knightmares are uncommon in large city areas, due to all the light.


Physical Details:
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 100 lbs (45 kg) [100 BP]
Egg Group: Amorphous
Gender Ratio: 50/50
Pokedex Color: Black


Technical details:
Catch Rate: 45
Hatch Time: 6630 - 6884 steps
Experience Yield: 163
Leveling Rate: Medium Slow
Base Friendship: 35
EV Yield: 1 Atk, 1 Spe

Pokédex Entries:
OR: Knightmares attack their prey while it sleeps. If you dream of a Knightmare, it means one is nearby.
AS: Thought to be lost souls trapped by the cursed gauntlets they wear, Knightmares are known to attack its victims in their sleep.

Level-up moves:
Level 1: Scratch
Level 1: Metal Claw
Level 1: Hypnosis
Level 1: Nightmare
Level 1: Spectral Blade
Level 5: Astonish
Level 9: Hypnosis
Level 14: Shadow Sneak
Level 18: Slash
Level 22: Nightmare
Level 26: Shadow Claw
Level 30: Bullet Punch
Level 34: Iron Head
Level 38: Phantom Force
Level 42: Agility
Level 46: Curse
Level 50: Shadow Assault
Level 54: Spikes
Level 58: Destiny Bond
Level 65: Guillotine

TM/HM moves:
TM01: Hone Claws
TM06: Toxic
TM10: Hidden Power
TM12: Taunt
TM15: Hyper Beam
TM17: Protect
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM30: Shadow Ball
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM33: Reflect
TM41: Torment
TM42: Façade
TM44: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM48: Round
TM54: False Swipe
TM56: Fling
TM60: Quash
TM61: Will-O-Wisp
TM63: Embargo
TM65: Shadow Claw
TM67: Retaliate
TM68: Giga Impact
TM75: Swords Dance
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM88: Sleep Talk
TM90: Substitute
TM91: Flash Cannon
TM94: Secret Power
TM95: Snarl
TM97: Dark Pulse
HM01: Cut
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash

Tutor Moves:
Knock Off
Snore
Block
Drain Punch
Iron Defense
Iron Head
Spite
Foul Play

Egg Moves:
Astonish (Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Duskull, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Chimecho, Drifloon, Drifblim, Yamask, Cofagrigus, Litwick, Lampent, Chandelure, Phantump, Trevenant, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist)
Disable (Grimer, Muk, Duskull, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Yamask, Cofagrigus)
Foul Play (Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Shuppet, Banette, Spiritomb, Stunfisk)
Grudge (Misdreavus, Shuppet, Banette, Yamask, Cofagrigus)
Nightmare (Gastly, Haunter, Gengar, Spiritomb)
Scary Face (Cofagrigus, Pumpkaboo, Gourgeist)
Pursuit (Shuppet, Banette, Duskull, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Spiritomb)

Sample Build (UU/OU)
Knightmare @ Life Orb
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Shadow Sneak
- Iron Head/Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance

This is a fakemon I worked with Snaquaza on Showdown a while ago. I'm pleased to officially post it now!

[selfiehater]

Nice lore... This got much better than it was. But the stats and movepool still have an uncanny resemblance to Bisharp.

[Cyberknight98]

This is exactly copy and pasted from before >.> . Anyways, I've tried to distance it from Bisharp as much as possible, which is hard. Bisharp is a bit slower, but bulkier and stronger. One of the main differences between Knightmare and Bisharp is that Knightmare doesn't get Sucker Punch. This was a conscious choice and makes Knightmare generally weaker, while differentiating the play styles. Bisharp relies on mindgames with Sucker Punch, where Knightmare relies on its impressive speed. Knightmare's speed was discussed a lot, and I feel like 105 keeps it from being overpowering, while keeping it a threat as a potential sweeper.

[Devoxys]

This is looking really good right now, a quick scan shows nothing wrong. I'll look at it in detail later.

[pokemonvortex]

It's a rather stereotypical name, but I guess it fits.

[Devoxys]

Base Experience should be 163.

IMO this is a bit too dark to be in a Pokemon game. Execution, endless nightmares, etc. I understand that Darkrai has this thing too, but Darkrai is not going to be just wandering around in the wild.

[Cyberknight98]

Dark stuff in pokemon is nothing new. Cacturne follows you in the desert to kill you, tons of pokemon are known for eating other pokemon gruesomely, Jellicent drowns people, and Chandelure burns up the souls of its victims, leaving mere husks.

[Salient]

What if you made this Ghost/Steel and made the sword resemble Aegislash (just the blade), and the knight like a ghost? That would remove the similarity to Bisharp and Narasion which is also Dark/Steel.

[Cyberknight98]

I thought about Ghost/Steel, but it doesn't fit as well thematically... perhaps I could rework the lore slightly, but I wanted to make it work with "Knight" and "Nightmare". The original idea FOR Knightmare was a possessed suit of armor, but even Snaq said it was too cliche.

[Cyberknight98]

What're your thoughts on this, kizzo212 ?

[kizzo212]

To be honest, I'm not too convinced by it. Would probably be better to see a rough sketch of the design or something, but doesnt seem enough like a "pokemon", having a human figure with armour and a halberd. Feel like even though you have distanced it from bisharp a fair bit, you can't really escape the similarities. The name seems a bit cliche, and just doesn't sit right with me, being a bit of a blatant adding of words together (although talonflame did this and its kinda grown on me), but the fact that take out the k and its just nightmare is a bit too simple.

Don't really want to shoot you down but the concept in general just doesn't do it for me.

[Cyberknight98]

kizzo212 Thank you for your response. I'll probably upload a rough sketch soon. In my head, the main body looks similar to Wilfre from Drawn to Life (Anyone remember those games? ...Those games fucked me up...). Anyways, the body wouldn't be necessarily fully solid, almost looking like a black flame, always changing. Its body is contained in the cursed gauntlets and helmet. I could rework this a bit into a ghost/steel type and rework the moveset. The name is... cliche, I know. But it just fits.

[pokemonvortex]

Feb 8, 2016 21:25:32 GMT 1 Cyberknight98 said:

kizzo212 Thank you for your response. I'll probably upload a rough sketch soon. In my head, the main body looks similar to Wilfre from Drawn to Life (Anyone remember those games? ...Those games fucked me up...). Anyways, the body wouldn't be necessarily fully solid, almost looking like a black flame, always changing. Its body is contained in the cursed gauntlets and helmet. I could rework this a bit into a ghost/steel type and rework the moveset. The name is... cliche, I know. But it just fits.

Drawn to Life was a great game.
Too bad I was never good at it.

That's Wilfre.

[Cyberknight98]

Thanks, pokemonvortex . And don't play drawn to life if you're not ready to be sad af. Anyways, I imagine the main body to be shadowy similar to Wilfre's, and kinda wispy? I don't know if that's a correct adjective...

[kizzo212]

I guess with a good enough design it can be made to look "pokemon" - enough. Feel like steel/ghost would be the way to go. Might end up a little bit similar to aegislash, but the stats are different enough and it's not like we have to have aegislash in the game for a direct comparison. But now I'm a bit more OK with the concept in general (still dont like the name but it can stay for now), I'll give some feedback on the other aspects:

- moveset actually seems pretty well done, if going for ghost/steel over dark might need a couple of small edits but seems ok for the most part. Not too sure about leaf blade. I guess gallade gets it, but that's the only real instance of it going to a non grass type (aside from faretchd but he holds a leek so eh, and smeargle never counts). being a psychic/fighting type I think gallade can get away with it, but maybe not a ghost/steel type.

That's actually all I can really comment about to be honest. It's a very well done submission. Just maybe things like iron head at 26 is a bit low, and maybe knock off should come after night slash, but its just a little bit of shuffling really.

[Cyberknight98]

Snaquaza suggested Leaf Blade... I thought it was strange at the time as well, and if need be I'll remove it no problem. I feel like the general consensus on this is Ghost/Steel, so I'm going to work with that and change up the movepool a tad in the meantime.

[Cyberknight98]

Changed the typing and switched up the movepool a bit. I feel like with the new typing it's a bit weaker, so I may buff its stats a bit. By the way, were there any Physical Ghost Type moves approved yet? If not, I may have to make my own for Knightmare...

[kizzo212]

I'd say ghost/steel is the stronger typing tbh, so leave the stats how they are.
As for physical ghost moves, ps-fakemons.proboards.com/thread/93/approved-soul-snatch would probably fit quite well.

[Cyberknight98]

I say Ghost/Steel is weaker due to no Knock Off STAB and the strongest physical ghost type move being Shadow Claw (Not counting Phantom/Shadow Force). Anyways, see anything wrong with the movepool?

[kizzo212]

Well. First off it has 5 start moves, and I don't feel like Astonish would exist as just a relearn move (which is what this would mean). I get that it's almost like a signature move in a way, but might be best leaving the hypnosis/nightmare stuff til a little bit later (can be as early as the 10s but lv4 is maybe a bit low). Also feel like maybe knock off should be taken out of the moveset. Not too many Pokemon get it by level up and it isn't STAB anymore and might decluster things a little bit.

[Cyberknight98]

Removed Knock Off from level up. If I'm not mistaken, multiple pokemon have more than 4 starting moves, so that shouldn't be an issue.

[kizzo212]

Yeah, but the idea is that there final 4 moves are what its starting moves are, and the ones before that only exist as relearn moves (where you take the heart scale to the guy). What did you do to hypnosis?

[Cyberknight98]

Whoops, didn't mean to remove Hypnosis, nice catch. How about I change the moves from Start to Level 1 to make it work?

[kizzo212]

Whether its start or level1 doesn't make a difference, but maybe its more apparent that a move is just a relearn move by having the 4 actual starting moves as start and the others as lv0?

[Salient]

www.serebiiforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9597&d=1372209778

Something Knightmare could maybe look like.