[ti]Approved[/ti]Wither

[kekecleon]

Wither

Type: Ghost
Category: Status
PP: 5 (max. 8)
Power: N/A
Accuracy: 85%
Priority: 0
Target: May affect one opponent adjacent to the user.
Makes Contact: No
Description: User casts a spell causing great physical weakness to the target. 
Effect: Target can't use contact moves for 3 turns.

Affected by Protect: Yes
Affected by Magic Coat: Yes
Affected by Snatch: No
Affected by King’s Rock: No
Affected by BrightPowder: Yes

Notes:
Opponents can switch out when affected by Wither.

Signature Move: No
Pokémon: Umbreon, Sableye, Shuppet, Banette, Froslass, Litwick, Lampent, Chandelure, Trevenant, Hoopa, Fakémon

I haven't looked at all the moves on the forum, so if someone already made something like this, please notify me. If anyone has any comments, questions, suggestions, corrections, or anything else, please comment!

Thanks for looking at my move, hope you all like it! n_n

[Twix]

This is an interesting move, but I'd suggest a longer or more detailed name because "Root" seems too short.

[Aeril8]

I agree with Ben.

[kekecleon]

Jun 16, 2015 21:04:13 GMT 1 Twix said:

This is an interesting move, but I'd suggest a longer or more detailed name because "Root" seems too short.

I was planning on changing the name because it seemed bland to me, but it is very short as well. I could change the name to Root Coil, Root Grasp, or something like that. If you or anyone have any other ideas for a name, feel free to suggest them! Thanks for your notification. :3 

[Snaquaza]

To me, this sounds like a Block copy. It'd be fine, but all similar moves do this (think Ingrain). Although this effect is pretty creative, it seems like a Block copy would fit better, unless you change the flavor a bit.

[kekecleon]

Jun 16, 2015 21:22:25 GMT 1 Snaquaza said:

To me, this sounds like a Block copy. It'd be fine, but all similar moves do this (think Ingrain). Although this effect is pretty creative, it seems like a Block copy would fit better, unless you change the flavor a bit.

I probably should of mentioned this, but this move does not trap the opponent; it simply prevents the opponent from using contact moves. You'd think it traps the opponent, but it does't. The opposing pokémon can be returned when rooted. Sorry for the confusion! >< 

[Mirror Bubble]

Jun 16, 2015 21:33:13 GMT 1 kekecleon said:

Jun 16, 2015 21:22:25 GMT 1 Snaquaza said:

To me, this sounds like a Block copy. It'd be fine, but all similar moves do this (think Ingrain). Although this effect is pretty creative, it seems like a Block copy would fit better, unless you change the flavor a bit.

I probably should of mentioned this, but this move does not trap the opponent; it simply prevents the opponent from using contact moves. You'd think it traps the opponent, but it does't. The opposing pokémon can be returned when rooted. Sorry for the confusion! >< 

This pretty much is whimsicott's dream, being able to rek everything that makes contact with priority root. then add a wide lens, and that's 99% accuracy, virtually stopping all contact moves.

I like it, this kind of stall-benefit move is great to counterbalance the power creep that invariably happens when new things are added to old (assuming the old wasn't designed with the new stuff in mind).

[silverwhiteblue]

If it prevents them from using contact move, wouldnt that be too overpowered? it basicly forces struggle on many physical attackers.

[kekecleon]

silverwhiteblue, I guess it does if they continue to attack, but its main purpose is to cause many physically offensive Pokemon to switch out. Most pokemon that get it aren't really that fast, so physical attackers can usually get a hit in before switching out. I will probably remove it from certain faster, more trolly pokemon though (AKA, Whimsicott). Also do you think that Grass-type pokemon should be immune to this move to make it less op? Thanks for your thoughts! ^^

[silverwhiteblue]

In the way you put it, it seems way better, even if i still see it as a bit too strong but stuff like whimsicot not getting it makes it alright. Just concerned about abusing it, like if all special pokemon were defeated, this practicly wins the game if not binds half the reamining members.
Regarding grass, since this seems to work similarly to spore, leech seed, i't be safer to follow the pattern and make grass immune, yes

[kekecleon]

I see the problem. I'll try to think of a solution for this, but if you or anyone else has any ideas, feel free to share. n_n

[kekecleon]

I changed the PP and also made it so that the move fails if the opponent only has one Pokemon left. Hope this helps! If anyone has any other ideas, please share. :3

[kizzo212]

I can kinda see the reasoning behind the move, but maybe its a bit of a jump to make. I'm not too sure about the last pokemon thing. There are lots of moves like encore or taunt or disable that can ruin a final pokemon completetly, yet none of these have a "fail switch" for that scenario. I dont really see why this move would have its effect yet not trap pokemon either. Although this may just be because I kinda already created a reasonably similar move to this called "thorn grip" which is effectively a grass type fire spin.

[jaywad]

Why doesn't the last pokemon get affected? is there a reason behind that? Anyway if u want this to not blend with an auto struggle, u can give this to grass types that don't have taunt. If that's not a good idea, then u can always match the accuracy to WoW, this way it's a great move and still hard to use

[kekecleon]

I'll probably remove the mechanic that makes the move fail if there's only one Pokemon left on opponent's team. I'll lower the accuracy to 85% to make it more difficult to use. I also might change the flavor of the move to make it more sensible, and that will probably affect the type of the move and the Pokemon that get it. Thanks for your suggestions kizzo212 and jaywad! c:

[kekecleon]

Changed the name, the type, the Pokémon, and basically the whole flavor of the move. Hopefully this helps so that it doesn't seem like a trap-like move. :3

[TheBlueFiretruck]

I like this much better. The effect should probably say 'Target' instead of 'Opponent' though.

[kekecleon]

Jul 6, 2015 20:48:33 GMT 1 TheBlueFiretruck said:

I like this much better. The effect should probably say 'Target' instead of 'Opponent' though.

Thanks! Will certainly change that. n.n 

[kekecleon]

I guess I'm prepared for Twix, Galom, and Ace to look at this. Tell me what you think and what I should change! ^-^

[silverwhiteblue]

I Dont think abra line, murkrow line, gothia line should get this. on the other hand, cofarigus seems compatible with it

[kekecleon]

Jul 7, 2015 6:23:57 GMT 1 silverwhiteblue said:

I Dont think abra line, murkrow line, gothia line should get this. on the other hand, cofarigus seems compatible with it

I gave it to Abra's line because it is a spell move and they are a magical group of Pokemon. I'll probably remove it from Murkow's line and Gothia's line. I actually never thought of Yamask's line, but it does fit in with the mummy sort of flavor, so I'll add them. Thanks silverwhiteblue for your suggestions! n.n      

[Devoxys]

Seems fine now, a few things:
-Delphox line cannot have another ability, as a starter it can only have Blaze + HA (Magician
-I don't think anything with Levitate should get this, as they are immune to EQ, the most commom non-contact physical move. Flying type is ok, as they are weak to Stone Edge. Grass/Ghost types too, for that reason, but its not going to be the end of the world if they get this move

[kekecleon]

Jul 8, 2015 1:47:11 GMT 1 Devoxys said:

Seems fine now, a few things:
-Delphox line cannot have another ability, as a starter it can only have Blaze + HA (Magician
-I don't think anything with Levitate should get this, as they are immune to EQ, the most commom non-contact physical move. Flying type is ok, as they are weak to Stone Edge. Grass/Ghost types too, for that reason, but its not going to be the end of the world if they get this move

I have removed Misdreavus and Mismagius, the Delphox line, and the Gourgeist line from the list. I kept the Trevenant line because the name Wither, of a plant, means to "become dry and shriveled." I think this fits the flavor of Trevenant as it has the appearance of an old, withering tree. Anyways, thanks for your helpful input Devoxys! n_n 

[Leafeon]

Ok coming for a competitive stand point this Is amazing and really centralizing Choice scarfers and Choice banded pokes get incredibly devestated by this and its way too good for a mass spread of pokemon. The gothita line now get trapping abilities (Shadow Tag) and this which will probably result in it being kicked out of OU. While this isnt nessisarily terrible I dont think we should be making moves/pokemon/abilities that are uncompetitive and recreating klefki,swaggerplay and smeargle. Trapping is an amazing niche so I would not give this to them as it leads to them to be overall annoying and anti competitive. Many pokemon dont seem fit for this move either. abra line was discussed already but I still dont see them as "magical" or the spell casting type. Chandy is arguable to get this move as well.
Other than that it sounds good. Lol

[kekecleon]

Jul 8, 2015 17:40:44 GMT 1 Leafeon said:

Ok coming for a competitive stand point this Is amazing and really centralizing Choice scarfers and Choice banded pokes get incredibly devestated by this and its way too good for a mass spread of pokemon. The gothita line now get trapping abilities (Shadow Tag) and this which will probably result in it being kicked out of OU. While this isnt nessisarily terrible I dont think we should be making moves/pokemon/abilities that are uncompetitive and recreating klefki,swaggerplay and smeargle. Trapping is an amazing niche so I would not give this to them as it leads to them to be overall annoying and anti competitive. Many pokemon dont seem fit for this move either. abra line was discussed already but I still dont see them as "magical" or the spell casting type. Chandy is arguable to get this move as well.
Other than that it sounds good. Lol

I agree that this move could get ugly in the competitive stance, and will surely give to to 'mons that won't make it seem too OP. Yeah, maybe the abra family doesn't fit the flavor much, so I'll remove it. I usually gather a group of possible candidates for the move on purpose so that you guys can help me narrow down the list. I guess litwick's line is arguable and could possibly not have the move. If you feel strongly about them not having it, I'll remove it. Thanks for commenting Leafeon and sharing your thoughts! :3     


Edit: Also, do you think Sableye should get it removed? I feel like it might cause a lot of problems given that it has the ability Prankster.