[ti]Quality Control[/ti]Narasion and Nemion [Approved 1/3]

[Psych]

The sprites are better, the pokemon differs enough from Luxray imo, to be viable. Good job refining this one over some time.

[The Run]

For Nemion, I find 535 a little too much BST compared to others. So far, so good man!

[Ace]

I agree with Galom on this one. You've done an excellent job with this, it's just that it's not that unique when compared to past Pokemon. 

[Twix]

I'd say to just scrap Focus Blast from Narasion's TMs as it doesn't fit the Pokemon at all. As Galom said as well, this Pokemon seems a bit too similar to Luxray, so some changes can be made revolving around that.

[jaywad]

Well, everyone's saying it's similar to luxray, so why not make it a special attacker! stuff like dark pulse, magnet bomb, morror shot, etc. would be main moves and it'd differ from luxray in a big way
Also, wht are there different egg moves for each Pokemon? They have to have the same egg moves

[kizzo212]

But then if you make it a special attacker it would become too similar to Pyroar. You kind of lose either way, but imo it is different enough to Luxray, and being physical suits the idea of a Nemean lion more.

[Ace]

Alright, please highlight how this Pokemon is original and substantially different from the other Lions, tag me when you do. If I feel like it's different enough, I'll accept, if not I'll sadly have to reject due to the sheer amount of submitted Pokemon recently.

[colester112]

Ace The reason mine is different is because it is based off the Nemean Lion which is extremely interesting.The reason it is interesting because of how unique it is. My poke is more of a mixed attacker with unique sprites that seperate it from anything I have seen so far. Lots of people have said that they like this idea. Like Hounds he said "I really like this Nemean Lion idea" and many other people have said things like this to me. My Poke is also a Dark/Steel type which is only shown with one other Pokemon Line. My pokes design is very different from the rest with all of the steel pieces on it. My poke represents the region very well too look at what Narasions pokedex name is. I am not saying that other lion fakemons don't fit, but with my poke it just makes more sense than some others. The Sinhalese which means the Lion People and they are most commonly found in Sri Lanka which is going to be a place in our region. I think my fakemons are very interesting and could be used anyway for late game or early game. I think they could be used better in early game because since my poke evolves at a later level it would give them the chance to have it evolved by the 3rd or 4th gym. My poke would bring a new thing to the table. No one has ever seen a steel lion! This poke would also have people who like the cuter mons to catch it. It also is very unique with its movepool where it learns moves that are status, special, and physical it doesn't just focus on one of these three, but all. It has a very unique defensive stats. This poke is very well all around. Its not a special attacker or a speedy physical attacker. It could be anything it could be tanky, a physical attacker, a special attacker, speedy. All of these could be mixed! My poke fits this game better than what I have saw from any other lion fakemon. Thanks.

[Snaquaza]

I'm going to dissect your points.

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

Ace The reason mine is different is because it is based off the Nemean Lion which is extremely interesting.

Why is it interesting and different enough. This basically says nothing besides your personal preference (For this Pokemon)

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

My Poke is also a Dark/Steel type which is only shown with one other Pokemon Line.

So give a different typing to the same design?

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

My pokes design is very different from the rest with all of the steel pieces on it.

Same as previous.

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

My poke represents the region very well too look at what Narasions pokedex name is. The Sinhalese which means the Lion People and they are most commonly found in Sri Lanka which is going to be a place in our region.

So the other lions / felines don't fit the region? Why don't they. Sure, this one may live in Sri Lanka but it seems okay enough to just put them here.

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

I think my fakemons are very interesting and could be used anyway for late game or early game. My poke fits this game better than what I have saw from any other lion fakemon. Thanks.

Not only lion fakemon, but also those which exist already. Why would it fit better, and would you want it to be early or lategame, and how would this differentiate itself ingame and design-wise.

[Sparkl3y]

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

Ace The reason mine is different is because it is based off the Nemean Lion which is extremely interesting. My Poke is also a Dark/Steel type which is only shown with one other Pokemon Line. My pokes design is very different from the rest with all of the steel pieces on it. My poke represents the region very well too look at what Narasions pokedex name is. The Sinhalese which means the Lion People and they are most commonly found in Sri Lanka which is going to be a place in our region. I think my fakemons are very interesting and could be used anyway for late game or early game. My poke fits this game better than what I have saw from any other lion fakemon. Thanks.

Okay, people are saying it's too similiar not because of design, backstory, or region fitting. People are saying this Pokemon is barely unique due to it having a very similiar Movepool to already existing lions. Restating the same thing over and over saying that "Oh, my Fakemon is really unique because of etc." doesn't help when all you talk about is the Lore. We need to know what differs the Pokemon from Luxray or Pyroar. Try to make it a mixed attacker, or more defensive. Make it UNIQUE, the key word here! Try to give it UNIQUE stats, UNIQUE movepool, UNIQUE ability, UNIQUE everything!!!

Sorry if I came off as rude, but many people have been trying to get through to you while you keep resisting. If the council members recommend changing it, you change it, or your mon is rejected.

Good day.

[Psych]

Basically, colester112, what they want to see is something that separates it from the other Lion pokemone (Luxray, Pyroar). Maybe make it more defensive, give it a different type, something to change it from the other 2.

EDIT: I accidentally did a tl;dr of Sparkl3y :/

[Galom]

no one has ever seen a steel lion

But you know what we have seen? An electric lion. A fire lion. If you're going to actually do this, I would like to see some major anatomical differences from Pyorar and Luxray in the design; rehashing is not something we want to do in creating a new game.

[kizzo212]

Well its not like we have 5 different cat pokemon and 5 different dog pokemon already. I can see this pokemon making up a bit of an unofficial lion trio, in the way you have the unofficial bear trio of ursaring, pangoro and beartic. They all have similar anatomies, its just one is a normal bear, one is an ice bear and one is a fighting bear. Arguably the "lions" are even more different than those three since they arent all slow with large physical attack stats. And I feel the way this pokemon is based on a mythological lion creature would still hold some sway, making it the more different of the three.

[Twix]

kizzo212, All of those Pokemon have different spriting though. The current ones for this one are extremely similar to Luxray/Pyroar. Just because it's based on something doesn't mean it actually represents it as is.

[neilk]

kizzo has a point. i think individuality is only so doable with 721 mons already existing, youre gonna redo some of the more common animal types, the main series has done it already with cats, dogs, monkeys, etc. i think as long as the typing is unique and the stats/movepool are believable its fine.

[neilk]

might i also mentioned that dropthebased has made artwork that differs from the sprites shown for these mons

[kizzo212]

Are the current sprites for these actually final? Don't think it should really have an impact on the mon and its uniqueness at this point. The sprites are made using the luxio line as a base iirc so there are obviously going to be similarities. If anything this would be an issue for art QC, because everything else is unique enough.

[kizzo212]

And in all fairness I don't see much of this vigour being applied to some currently approved pokemon. Like, what makes canice different from mightyena other than the ice typing, or what makes pankopaw different from pancham. Apologies if these things had been explained in those threads, but for me it seems like they sit in the same boat.

[Drop the Based]

Jun 22, 2015 3:05:13 GMT 1 neilk said:

kizzo has a point. i think individuality is only so doable with 721 mons already existing, youre gonna redo some of the more common animal types, the main series has done it already with cats, dogs, monkeys, etc. i think as long as the typing is unique and the stats/movepool are believable its fine.

Agreed. There's not too much that can be done to deviate from Luxray and Pyroar here. Narasion and Nemion seems fine as is to me. 

[Drop the Based]

Jun 22, 2015 2:27:23 GMT 1 Galom said:

no one has ever seen a steel lion

But you know what we have seen? An electric lion. A fire lion. If you're going to actually do this, I would like to see some major anatomical differences from Pyorar and Luxray in the design; rehashing is not something we want to do in creating a new game.

But that can't necessarily happen. We've got over 700 Pokemon and counting. Do you think that every single one would completely differ from another? There's bound to be repeats.

[Snaquaza]

I haven't looked at the art yet, but the "5 cats and dogs already". I think this should be included in cats. All cats are quite similar, so we'd get a huge amount of cats already, which would require huge differentiation.

[Drop the Based]

Jun 21, 2015 16:17:04 GMT 1 Sparkl3y said:

Jun 21, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 1 colester112 said:

Ace The reason mine is different is because it is based off the Nemean Lion which is extremely interesting. My Poke is also a Dark/Steel type which is only shown with one other Pokemon Line. My pokes design is very different from the rest with all of the steel pieces on it. My poke represents the region very well too look at what Narasions pokedex name is. The Sinhalese which means the Lion People and they are most commonly found in Sri Lanka which is going to be a place in our region. I think my fakemons are very interesting and could be used anyway for late game or early game. My poke fits this game better than what I have saw from any other lion fakemon. Thanks.

Okay, people are saying it's too similiar not because of design, backstory, or region fitting. People are saying this Pokemon is barely unique due to it having a very similiar Movepool to already existing lions. Restating the same thing over and over saying that "Oh, my Fakemon is really unique because of etc." doesn't help when all you talk about is the Lore. We need to know what differs the Pokemon from Luxray or Pyroar. Try to make it a mixed attacker, or more defensive. Make it UNIQUE, the key word here! Try to give it UNIQUE stats, UNIQUE movepool, UNIQUE ability, UNIQUE everything!!!

Sorry if I came off as rude, but many people have been trying to get through to you while you keep resisting. If the council members recommend changing it, you change it, or your mon is rejected.

Good day.

It's pretty hard to do that. Unique everything? Uhm...lesse...

We have dog Pokemon, cat Pokemon, lion Pokemon, serpent Pokemon, snake Pokemon, pig Pokemon, mouse Pokemon, dragon Pokemon. Same types, similar designs, similar movepools...need I say more? There's no way everything about these Pokemon can be unique.

[kizzo212]

Jun 22, 2015 19:29:03 GMT 1 Snaquaza said:

I haven't looked at the art yet, but the "5 cats and dogs already". I think this should be included in cats. All cats are quite similar, so we'd get a huge amount of cats already, which would require huge differentiation.

I meant cats as like domestic cats. Lions may be a "big cat" but they are pretty much completely different animals. I was more referring to how we have meowstic, meowth, glameow and such.

[neilk]

Cat-Based Pokemon- Shinx/Luxio/Luxray, Litleo/Pyroar, Meowth/Persian, Glameow/Purugly, Espurr/Meowstic, Mew/Mewtwo, Purrloin/Liepard, Skitty/Delcatty. 17 catmons, 2 of them legendary. Seems like every gen has one, I dont see why ours cant. Let me reiterate that there arent many animal genera that havent been covered by Pokemon at some point or another. I think the sprites could look a bit different, but the artwork that was done by dropthebased was much better and definitely unique as far as there's not much in the PokeWorld that resembles it.

[jaywad]

Jun 23, 2015 5:55:29 GMT 1 neilk said:

Cat-Based Pokemon- Shinx/Luxio/Luxray, Litleo/Pyroar, Meowth/Persian, Glameow/Purugly, Espurr/Meowstic, Mew/Mewtwo, Purrloin/Liepard, Skitty/Delcatty. 17 catmons, 2 of them legendary. Seems like every gen has one, I dont see why ours cant. Let me reiterate that there arent many animal genera that havent been covered by Pokemon at some point or another. I think the sprites could look a bit different, but the artwork that was done by dropthebased was much better and definitely unique as far as there's not much in the PokeWorld that resembles it.

Not Johto....