[ti]Approved[/ti]Mambilin, Mamburo + Mythox

[selfiehater]

Oh sorry, I thought Mamburo had wings too. I thought it was a powerful thing soaring in the air, hmph. Turns out it hasn't even got wings. Yeah, if that's the case, do remove WoW and Solar Beam. Fire Blast also falls into the grey area for Mamburo, but it can still kind of be justified. Dunno.

[kizzo212]

Aside from a lot of things to do with the moves needing sorting, there are a few other things I can spot that need to be addressed:
- The Egg Group needs to be the same for all the mons in the evolution line i.e. It shouldn't be in the flying egg group.
- Blaxin being the "toxic" Pokemon is a bit unoriginal.
- Changing the dex entry to "This pokemon is very passive and timid, but will bite anyone that comes way too close to it." makes more sense.
- For Mamburo, the 98mph thing seems kinda weird (I guess pokedex entry's do this but eh). Also, since the move neurotoxin is special, saying that it inflicts it with its fangs kinda contradicts this.
- Feel like for a dragon Pokemon with 514BST, it evolves a bit early. Would imagine something like this to evolve a bit later on.
- Mythox's dex entry is a bit too long. The part about how it can "release pitch-black smoke from its mouth.
This pokemon is able to release black, poisonous smoke from its mouth when disturbed" seems to be covering the same ground, so no need for all of it.

I do feel like a dragon/poison snake pokemon has been a long time coming (why zygarde why), and I feel like this is a pretty decent attempt at one, but does need a lot of work in its current state.

[Devoxys]

Eh, I'm fine with allowing this to get Neurotoxin. I left the criteria for what gets it pretty loose. Plus, I gave it to Arbok anyway.

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 I know this isn't important, but what tier do u guys think this Fakemon should be in, and what would be its use?

P.S. Devoxys , lots of pokemon know moves they shouldn't. Minccino/Cinccino and Thunderbolt? Rhyperior and Surf?

[selfiehater]

We can never actually know, but from the looks of it, RU/NU. Its use? All-out attacking.

Give Mythox Wing Attack.

[Devoxys]

@megahop I've told many people this before: "because X has this, so should this get this" is not a good argument. We are not Game Freak, they do weird things sometimes and we are trying to avoid that.

You shouldn't care too much about the tier, as long as this isn't broken.

[kizzo212]

Wasn't really questioning whether it got neurotoxin or not, but maybe the pokedex entry should be changed to just say "toxin" instead of "neurotoxin" as it is a special move, so wouldnt make to much sense for it to be explicitly stated to be given by a bite.

[selfiehater]

Honestly, if he does that, not much will be held in account for evidence to justify this thing getting Devoxys's move.

[Devoxys]

Illegal Hatch Time. Like I've said before, I has to be a range. Just copy another Pokemon's hatch time. 

Use the ORAS TM list. There are many moves in your TM moves lists that are not TMs, like Smokescreen or Whirlwind. I've told you this before.

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Jan 27, 2016 21:23:31 GMT 1 selfiehater said:

I f---ing love the idea, but the body colour needs to change imo. Nestramal, my Fakémon, will also kind of look like a black snake (but inside a big, black, and bulky croissant, lol) - even though these two have a lot of differences, both have huge dark wings, both have the same colour and snake-like heads, and this might cause unnecessary comeptition which will probably result in one of the submissions getting rejected. Since my colour actually has a meaning behind it, it'd most probably be better for you to change your colour rather than me. You might want to transform yours' skin to the purple hue of this particular text: #361757. Don't forget to change your dex colour to purple after doing that though.

I don't want this to be purple. It is not a stereotypical pokemon snake.

[Deleted]

Actually, selfiehater, I cannot change the color, because this is based on a Black mamba. If anything, you will have to change your fakemon's color.

[kizzo212]

Yeah. This being black makes sense. Not really sure why it makes more sense for Nestramal.

[selfiehater]

Feb 14, 2016 15:36:47 GMT 1 @megahop said:

Actually, selfiehater, I cannot change the color, because this is based on a Black mamba. If anything, you will have to change your fakemon's color.

OK. Fine. You have justified your claim, so it's no problem.

[Salient]

You're using the wrong TM list. Use this one: www.serebii.net/omegarubyalphasapphire/tmhm.shtml and put them in order by TM number. They're odd and erratic. I don't think the basic Pokemon should learn Earthquake. Small snakes probably don't have the power to.

Speaking of small snakes, you need a better description of the design. "A small black body" can mean anything. As for Drill Run, I saw an argument going on earlier. Drill Run is given mostly to Pokemon who have horns, not spikes. Only Forretress and Fearow break this rule, the latter having a beak. I suggest only having Levitate as an ability for the final evolution.

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This fakemon has a horn, you have not read the description.

[Deleted]

Which other moves should this get as Egg Moves?

[Deleted]

Bump. Salient @kim BC Devoxys

[Devoxys]

Make the Pokedex entries more different. Mamburo and Mambilin are especially bad cases of this.

Don't end the level-up moves when it evolves, on Mamburo. Go at least one more.

Mamburo Base Experience Yield is 141.
Mythox Base Experience Yield is 234.

[Salient]

It's crazy how much better these look when you people use an outline. Remove the weaknesses off of the third stage (I think it's Mamburo now). As Devoxys said, make the Pokedex entries more different. Add 2-3 more moves on Mambilin after it evolves, moves don't usually get cut off after their evolution level.

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The changes are made Salient Devoxys and another random moderator

[Devoxys]

Some Grammar corrections: 
(Corrections in bold)

Mambilin:

1. This pokemon is very passive and timid, so when a trainer comes, it goes away slithers away and hides. It likes to slither in circles when bored.

2. This Pokemon bites people and Pokemon who don't see it, and then it slithers away after. It loves to gnaw on trees.

Fix that, then Approval 1/3

[Salient]

Approved 2/3, no further issues with this. Congrats!

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kizzo212 do you have anything to say?

[kizzo212]

- Unsure about shadow ball, as it seems to be pretty common for poison types, and Dragalge gets access to it. However, I would say Ekans, Arbok and Seviper are the most similar to these, and none of them get access to it, so I feel that really it shouldn't have it.
- Seviper and a fair few other poison or dragon types get flamethrower, so I see how it makes some sense, but feel it might be best leaving it til Mythox, or at least Mamburo.
- Looking at similar mons, I'm not too sure if U-turn fits. Only somewhat similar mon that seems to get it is hydreigon, so maybe leave it to just mythox. Only other poison types that get it are the crobat line (makes sense since flying) and part bug types. Feel like maybe hydreigon gets it because it can levitate and effectively flies, so same could apply to mythox.
- What exactly is it using cut with. Kinda needs claws, or at least appendages of some form. Rock smash is fine though.
- Don't feel like Mamburo should get Earthquake.
- Level up moves for Mamburo and Mythox seem a bit too clustered. Don't think a mon should be learning a move every 2 levels. Don't really see the need for it to have flamethrower twice in its level up moves (well at all), and toxic is also pretty unneeded. Things could just be spread out a lot more.
- Don't think Mythox should get Blizzard. I guess some dragons do get it, but I don't feel like this would be one of them.
- Drill run is on Mythox's tutor moves twice.

Other than the move stuff everything else seems pretty cool and up to scratch. Just change or justify the stuff I've mentioned above and I'll think about the approval.

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kizzo212 I am done with the stuff you said.