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Post by colester112 on Jun 24, 2015 3:10:06 GMT 1
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Post by godfather4 on Jun 29, 2015 18:10:09 GMT 1
Have you considered the fact that male and female could differ, like Pyroar?
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Post by Ace on Jul 3, 2015 18:44:46 GMT 1
Okay so we currently have a Chimera Pokemon that's in the works. StrikerAli and you will have to decide on which one because we're not having two Lion-like Pokemon.
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Post by colester112 on Jul 8, 2015 21:53:04 GMT 1
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Post by Psych on Jul 8, 2015 22:02:38 GMT 1
I've said through this whole thing that it differs from Luxray and Pyroar enough for my liking, so no problems there. - I'd like to see a bit more on the Pokedex entries, they seem bland to me. Maybe play into it's lore a bit more rather than "if angered will become a serious predator to get what angered it" - Everything fits in the level-up movepool except Flash Cannon on Nemion. I'd like to see Iron Tail here instead, it'd make more sense for this Physical attacker. - I'd like you to go through this TM/HM List and add some to it, it seems small for a TM/HM list. This needs some work and organization as things like Hone Claws needs to be on here. I'll come back and look at it after you add these things, also I'd like to see what Level 51 says on this.
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Post by Psych on Jul 8, 2015 23:23:41 GMT 1
It may seem like extra work, but could you take the time and put the TM/HM List in order? It makes it easier for us to read them and analyze it.
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Post by colester112 on Jul 8, 2015 23:28:02 GMT 1
It may seem like extra work, but could you take the time and put the TM/HM List in order? It makes it easier for us to read them and analyze it. Ummm idk if I have the time... thats my only problem.
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Post by Level 51 on Jul 9, 2015 5:42:07 GMT 1
It may seem like extra work, but could you take the time and put the TM/HM List in order? It makes it easier for us to read them and analyze it. Ummm idk if I have the time... thats my only problem. If you don't have time to even arrange a list containing 24 items, how on earth are you going to find the time to see this project through to completion? Not checking until you arrange the list.
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Kim BC
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Post by Kim BC on Jul 9, 2015 16:46:45 GMT 1
I truly do like the concept of this pokemon and i think it would be better and set it apart from other pokemon if it had some sort of niche and a dominant stat. I feel as if the stats are somewhat evenly distributed besides HP ofcourse which I don't think is a good idea cause it kinda just reminds me of altaria and nobody really used that mon until it got a mega, a boost in stats. This Pokemon is probably not getting a mega and should be alrighty itself. You made it seem like a defensive mon even tho the dex entry makes it seem like a heavily offensive one, hence predator. Idk if ur still taking suggestions but it would be nice if you could maybe lower its special defense and raise its offensive stats because I think its special defense is a bit high for a steel type. Besides legendaries, there are barely any steel types with a special defense that reaches that extent and the sprite of this mon makes it kinda seem he wouldnt have that much special defense. A raise in offense would truly give it its predator presence. It kinda seems like your just relying on getting swords dance via TM as its only offensive presence and this pokemon doesnt get any defensive utility whatsoever so it wouldn't be that great as bulk, especially with that HP.
For a niche, maybe you could give it like technichian double kick, no guard iron tail, or heavy metal heavy slam (pouncing). Idk, the administration are really against giving pokemon abilities like fur coat and technician unless it really makes sense but tbh, it all just depends how u fit it flavor wise(PokeDex). Maybe lower its stats in general idk but this mon may look good now on text but it won't be all that when coded.
I hope this somewhat helped c:
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Post by Psych on Jul 9, 2015 19:18:13 GMT 1
Great! The TM/HM List is in order, but please fix the spacing on narasion lol
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Post by Level 51 on Jul 19, 2015 7:33:29 GMT 1
colester112Lots of stuff to fix here. It's a decent concept—I guess every game needs its quadrupedal wild cat Pokemon—but execution is somewhat lacking. First of all, your sprites are literally Luxray and Luxio edits. Obviously everyone has noticed this but is too polite to point it out; I really don't want a reskin of those Pokemon in these games. Some nitpicks: - please fix base exp yields - please fix base ev yields - dex entries are too long Some more major edits: - Your egg moves are inconsistent, they need to be the same for both Narasion and Nemion - As I mentioned in another thread and continue to mention because no one gets this right ever, As for other evolutions, you need to bear in mind that the evolution should have a movepool largely comparable to the pre-evolution's movepool, with maybe one or two extra 'ultimate' moves right at the end. The pre-evolution could maybe have one extra move, although that's generally reserved for starters. This means that (before level 35) the movepools need to be pretty much exactly the same (same level and everything), except with maybe extra level-0 moves on Nemion. You can also add maybe 1-2 extra moves on Nemion at the end if you want to. - Lots of weird TMs here: Dragon Claw, Echoed Voice, Embargo, Payback, Stone Edge, Dark Pulse - Remove Hyper Beam and Giga Impact from Narasion since it's only a pre-evolution - Rock Climb isn't a TM - Lots of tutor moves missing, even things like Iron Head and Iron Tail. So yeah, please give your entire Pokemon concept another look over before you tag any of us again.
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Post by colester112 on Jul 20, 2015 18:36:09 GMT 1
colester112Lots of stuff to fix here. It's a decent concept—I guess every game needs its quadrupedal wild cat Pokemon—but execution is somewhat lacking. First of all, your sprites are literally Luxray and Luxio edits. Obviously everyone has noticed this but is too polite to point it out; I really don't want a reskin of those Pokemon in these games. Some nitpicks: - please fix base exp yields - please fix base ev yields - dex entries are too long Some more major edits: - Your egg moves are inconsistent, they need to be the same for both Narasion and Nemion - As I mentioned in another thread and continue to mention because no one gets this right ever, As for other evolutions, you need to bear in mind that the evolution should have a movepool largely comparable to the pre-evolution's movepool, with maybe one or two extra 'ultimate' moves right at the end. The pre-evolution could maybe have one extra move, although that's generally reserved for starters. This means that (before level 35) the movepools need to be pretty much exactly the same (same level and everything), except with maybe extra level-0 moves on Nemion. You can also add maybe 1-2 extra moves on Nemion at the end if you want to. - Lots of weird TMs here: Dragon Claw, Echoed Voice, Embargo, Payback, Stone Edge, Dark Pulse - Remove Hyper Beam and Giga Impact from Narasion since it's only a pre-evolution - Rock Climb isn't a TM - Lots of tutor moves missing, even things like Iron Head and Iron Tail. So yeah, please give your entire Pokemon concept another look over before you tag any of us again. The Luxio and Luxray I have been told by Ace and Snaq that it's ok I have been told multiple tiomes that I need to add more on the dex entries. Dragon Claw since it has large claws. Like how arcanine gets all the fangs. Echoed Voice since its a lion. Embargo, Payback, and Dark pulse are dark moves. And figuring that a lot of steel types do get rock and ground moves why not.
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Post by Level 51 on Jul 23, 2015 12:05:56 GMT 1
The Luxio and Luxray I have been told by Ace and Snaq that it's ok I have been told multiple tiomes that I need to add more on the dex entries. Dragon Claw since it has large claws. Like how arcanine gets all the fangs. Echoed Voice since its a lion. Embargo, Payback, and Dark pulse are dark moves. And figuring that a lot of steel types do get rock and ground moves why not. That doesn't change these issues: - please fix base exp yields - please fix base ev yields - dex entries are too long Some more major edits: - Your egg moves are inconsistent, they need to be the same for both Narasion and Nemion - Lots of weird TMs here: Dragon Claw - Remove Hyper Beam and Giga Impact from Narasion since it's only a pre-evolution - Rock Climb isn't a TM - Lots of tutor moves missing, even things like Iron Head and Iron Tail. So yeah, please give your entire Pokemon concept another look over before you tag any of us again. I stand by Dragon Claw not being a good choice, since your Pokemon is nothing like a Dragon. The other things I mentioned are also still pretty huge issues, please get to working on them.
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Post by The Run on Jul 26, 2015 21:02:40 GMT 1
Most things seem fine as of now imo. However it would be great if you could also add Zen Headbutt to it as well, since it knows Iron Head at pre-evolution.
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Post by Kim BC on Aug 29, 2015 20:16:14 GMT 1
I noticed that the pre evo and final evo hae different egg moves. They both need to be the same. I don't see how Heat Wave makes sense at all on this Pokemon so i would just suggest to remove that. Despite STAB, I can't really see this Pokemon using Knock Off because most Knock Off users are bipedal and don't rely on their hands as feet. I think the EV Yeild for the second evo shouldn't be the same as the first evo or so i think... other than that this mon seems awesome and I don't see why it shouldn't be approved c:
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Post by kizzo212 on Dec 6, 2015 22:23:50 GMT 1
For convenience I'm just going to restate all (well might miss a couple of things) of the changes that need to be made again and a few other observations in one post:
Narasion: - Dex entry needs condensing. e.g. "This Pokemon is very playful, but can become a serious predator when angered." - Remove these TMs: Dragon Claw, Hyper Beam, Earthquake, Stone Edge, Wild Charge, Rock Climb (certain other ones mentioned like dark pulse, embargo and payback are fine and dont see why they wouldn't work as its a dark type. Echoed Voice could work but isn't really needed. Also a bit iffy on it getting swords dance.) - Tutor Moves: Seeing as Absol gets Knock off, it could work but I would leave it to just Nemean or remove it altogether. Either way strong jaws crunch is still really nice. Also, doesn't really seem like the sort of Pokemon to get Block. Things like Iron Head (and probably Iron Tail) should still be included in tutor moves, even if learnt by level up. The elemental fangs should just be egg moves. (as with Tyrunt + Tyrantrum) - Egg moves: Heat Wave makes no sense, Giga Impact should be taken out, and I feel like mega kick and close combat should probably be taken out as well. (Arcanine is just kinda special) - Looking at somewhat similar mons like arcanine and liepard and such, it fits better just in the ground egg group and not in the monster egg group. - Base Experience yield should be 71 for a BST of 355 - Maybe its EV yield should be 1 Def as that is its strongest stat?
Nemion - Again, dex entry is a bit too long and needs to be cut down. For this maybe you could go into the lore slightly. - Any particular reason why Moxie changes to Inner Focus? - Level up movepool isn't consistent enough with Narasion's. For example, what happened to hone claws and metal claw?, where did bide come from? Iron Tail as an evolution exclusive move works well however. - Pretty sure Giga Impact is a TM. Most of the comments about TMs for Narasion also apply here except for hyper beam + stone edge (absol gets this and being a steel type makes it more reasonable), but you could maybe also get away with wild charge due to the steel typing. Don't think it should get Earthquake though, and rock climb isnt a TM as mentioned. - Hatch time should be the same for both evolutions - Possibly decrease the catch rate to 45? - BST is maybe a bit high. Bisharp only has 490BST and evolves way later. I'd say knock 10 off SpD and 5 off of Speed or Atk or something along those lines. Another thing you could do is give it a "funky" stat spread. so like 77/96/106/79/66/81 or something could be quite nice imo, bringing it down a bit to 505BST. Then maybe bump up the evolution level a bit. - EV yield should be 2 Def - From what I've seen, all Pokemon within the same evolution line maintain the same levelling rate, so both should be slow or both should be medium.
Thats all I can really think of/have seen for now.
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Post by colester112 on Dec 7, 2015 2:06:14 GMT 1
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Post by pokemonvortex on Dec 8, 2015 1:10:00 GMT 1
It's pretty good, but I feel like it needs a lot more polishing.
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Post by kizzo212 on Dec 8, 2015 2:42:50 GMT 1
Looking better. But some other changes I feel should be made: (including stuff mentioned above that haven't been changed as well as new things). - Take bulldoze and swords dance off of Narasion but leave them on Nemion. - Take Giga impact out of the breeding moves. - Base exp yield for them should now be 69 for Narasion and 177 for Nemion - Having Torment, Roar, Taunt all in a row on Nemion and then learning 5 attacking moves could maybe be improved upon. Could be done pretty simply by putting Metal Claw at lv23, Take Down at lv 27 then putting Taunt at lv33, mixing things up a little bit. Also, I think maybe swap Roar and Torment, just because I feel Roar is a more fitting move and thus makes a bit more sense for it to learn it earlier. - Nemion's levelling moves need to be changed to fit in with Narasion's, whether you make the changes above or not. For example, Beat up and Hone claws are missing from Narasion. - Possibly change Iron Head to lv42 learn to coincide with the evolution - Also maybe remove Nasty Plot from Nemeon as it no longer really has any viability and was maybe a bit of a stretch to begin with, and is now effectively in the "Narasion" level range anyway. I would instead add Swords Dance as a level up move after Iron Tail at a reasonably high level, or put in Iron Defense before Iron Tail. - Certain things are missing from the TM movepools. Narasion is missing Torment and should get Facade, Thief and Attract. Nemion is missing same as Narasion as well as Hyper Beam and Giga Impact. I feel maybe it should also get Sandstorm, but it's not really needed. - Head Charge is currently Bouffalant's signature move and I don't feel it fits enough to break that. There are lots of egg moves you could add, however, such as Assurance, Double-Edge, Feint Attack, Play Rough, Pursuit and Zen Headbutt. - By tutor move, both Pokemon have to be able to learn Iron Head and Snore, and Nemeon must be able to learn Iron Tail (Feel like Narasion should probably get access to this as well). They should also both get Snatch+Foul Play by tutor move, and Zen Headbutt if given as an EggMove. Giving it Superpower as an egg move wouldn't be an unreasonable addition as well IMO. Also you should probably give Iron defense to Nemeon as a tutor move, whether you include it in level up or not. - Hatch time needs to be the same for both mons - Levelling rate needs to be the same for both mons - Condense Nemion's Dex Entry to something like "Nemion are ferocious beasts with fur that is almost impenetrable to attacks"
Sorry to keep bombarding you with changes and improvements of the sort but needs to be done to make it look good.
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Post by Salient on Jan 1, 2016 19:17:36 GMT 1
Alright, comments on both: Narasion: - Change the species name to something more creative. (As I mentioned in chat once, "Sinhalese" is a race of people)
- I think the abilities are too similar to Pyroar's, maybe give it something else? Or just replace either Moxie or Unnerve.
- I think the Pokedex entry can be a little more in-depth.
- List more parents for each egg move, which is now a 100x easier with the filters on PS's team builder (type "Field" for egg group, and then a move to filter the Pokemon in that egg group that get that move. List all of those).
- Just a nitpick of mine, but not 100% necessary, put the TM numbers next to each TM.
- Give it Superpower by Tutor, if it can learn it by egg move it can learn it by tutor. It also needs to have the same egg moves as Nemion, at the moment it doesn't. (Assurance, Feint Attack, Pursuit). The hatch numbers are a bit odd, I'd suggest copying Pyroar's from Bulbapedia.
- Exp Yield should be 64, I think? (BST*4/20 = 68.4, rounded down)
- The level-up moves are a bit sporadic, I've been an ass about this but they always follow a pattern.
- Leveling rate needs to be Medium Slow or Medium Fast, pretty sure there isn't a "medium" category.
Nemion:
- Abilities should be in the same order as Narasion's.
- Again, more creative species name.
- Fix the spacing on its moves. Add TM/HM numbers to the list.
- Give it Superpower by Tutor as well.
- Leveling rate needs to be Medium Slow or Medium Fast, pretty sure there isn't a "medium" category.
Anyway, as long as the sprites are for concept and we're not using them, once all of this is fixed I can maybe approve it.
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