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Post by Snaquaza on May 13, 2015 7:08:27 GMT 1
But you know. Antonize isn't literally a human-sized ant.. I hope.
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Post by Devoxys on May 13, 2015 12:34:29 GMT 1
But you know. Antonize isn't literally a human-sized ant.. I hope. In a world where we have floating whales (Wailord), evil candles, living ice cream, cute aliens (Cleffa line), weasels (Furret) and snake-things (Dunsparce) that are larger/bigger than Dragons (Zard and Mence particularly), you shouldn't be surprised. But then again, Zard, Mence, Furret, and Dunsparce are the size of an adult human... |
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 13, 2015 13:24:33 GMT 1
Antonize clocks in at 3 foot eleven or 1.2 meters tall. .3.
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Post by Galom on May 13, 2015 14:18:45 GMT 1
But you know. Antonize isn't literally a human-sized ant.. I hope. Scizor says hi. |
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 13, 2015 19:23:21 GMT 1
Galom, @snackismybae, and Snaquaza pls. ;; I've already explained why its stats are how they are, and I didn't make them gamebreakingly good. I can lower the speed slightly if you wish, but I really want this mon to be finished.
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Post by Snaquaza on May 13, 2015 19:51:36 GMT 1
But you know. Antonize isn't literally a human-sized ant.. I hope. In a world where we have floating whales (Wailord), evil candles, living ice cream, cute aliens (Cleffa line), weasels (Furret) and snake-things (Dunsparce) that are larger/bigger than Dragons (Zard and Mence particularly), you shouldn't be surprised. But then again, Zard, Mence, Furret, and Dunsparce are the size of an adult human... I'm not surprised. I mean we can't just take an IRL animal and make it larger, lol. |
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 13, 2015 19:52:47 GMT 1
Just because it has animal influences doesn't mean it's just a giant army ant. I've taken creative liberties with it, such as its claws or Antonize's spiked tail.
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Post by Galom on May 13, 2015 19:56:00 GMT 1
Incorporate the Dark-typing into the design somehow. It seems like a pure Bug-type by the way you describe it.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 13, 2015 20:10:53 GMT 1
Well, Galom, both Antagon and Antonize main colors are black with a red spot/slash mark on their backs and heads. Dark is commonly associated with being vicious and merciless, as Antagon and Antonize obviously are. |
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 13, 2015 20:12:00 GMT 1
The problem is, Dark is so hard to grasp the concept of, for me. What IS Dark? What defines it? Other than brutality and black color, there's no real defining characteristic, unlike EVERY other type.
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Post by Galom on May 13, 2015 20:33:59 GMT 1
Bug flavor:
Jittery, creepy crawly. Most Bug-types are weak, so most live in large swarms to counteract their weakness. These Pokémon are "a dime a dozen". They reproduce very quickly, grow very quickly, evolve very quickly, etc. These Pokémon are arguably the least humanized Type in existence, as they often mindlessly hunt and kill prey without seeming to care. They show few, if any emotions. They have little mercy and no sense of justice. The few big and powerful ones like Scizor and Volcarona generally live in solitude, as they are capable of hunting alone and do not have to share their food with others. Bug-types in general are usually seen as openly hostile. They're common choices for antagonists and evil teams, as they are effectively killing machines that will not be held back by moral thoughts.
In combat, Bug-types swarm their opponents in most cases, or fight with raw strength for cases such as Scizor and Volcarona.
Dark flavor:
Contrary to popular belief, Dark =/= evil and death. Dark is usually associated with grim (Absol) and edgy (Yveltal). However, there is a great difference between them and Bug-types: Darks are humanized. They show much emotion, but are most commonly associated with anger (Scrafty, Pangoro, Mega Gyarados, Bisharp) or deception (Zoroark). As I said before, despite being associated with these themes, they are not necessarily evil. Dark is also not even associated with direct violence, just dismal themes in general.
In combat, Dark-types generally fight dirty (Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Taunt, Foul Play, Illusion). They aren't necessarily brutal, that is a theme I would associate more closely with Dragons.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 13, 2015 20:39:30 GMT 1
I'd disagree with brutality being associated with dragons. As seen with bisharp and pawniard, they are vicious and cruel with no mercy (This pitiless Pokémon commands a group of Pawniard to hound prey into immobility. It then moves in to finish the prey off.) While Dragonite is (quote from Ruby+Sapphire pokedex:) a kindhearted Pokémon that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land.
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Post by herndonchad on May 14, 2015 2:23:23 GMT 1
I'd disagree with brutality being associated with dragons. As seen with bisharp and pawniard, they are vicious and cruel with no mercy (This pitiless Pokémon commands a group of Pawniard to hound prey into immobility. It then moves in to finish the prey off.) While Dragonite is (quote from Ruby+Sapphire pokedex:) a kindhearted Pokémon that leads lost and foundering ships in a storm to the safety of land. You cannot just let one apple spoil the bunch either. You really have to look at the type as a whole. For example, haxorus is going to be more brutal then umbreon. |
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 14, 2015 2:44:35 GMT 1
Touche, but Haxorus is still referred to as kind in the pokedex entries, and I can sling it right back at you, you have to look at Dark as a whole, not just Umbreon. Look at Mandibuzz: "Watching from the sky, they swoop to strike weakened Pokémon on the ground. They decorate themselves with bones." Really the only "scary evil" dragon is Hydreigon, which is the only dark/dragon type Hydreigon: "It responds to movement by attacking. This scary, three-headed Pokémon devours everything in its path!" Also as a side note, the Japanese name for Dark means Evil.
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Post by jaywad on May 14, 2015 5:08:09 GMT 1
and salamence, Druddigon, Tyrantrum... but I get what u're trying to prove here
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Post by Devoxys on May 14, 2015 12:41:41 GMT 1
Cyberknight98 Mandibuzz is a vulture, and that is what vultures do.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 14, 2015 13:16:29 GMT 1
But back to the original question, how do I make it look more "Dark-Like"? Because I want to keep the typing.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 14, 2015 17:36:46 GMT 1
Snaquaza or Galom? What do you think I should do to make it more "dark"? I really, really want to finish this pokemon because I got a sudden inspiration for a new fakemon.
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Post by jaywad on May 14, 2015 18:18:16 GMT 1
I hate it when that happens Cyberknight98 . Happened to me too ;.; Anyway, try to make some parts of its body [the red ones] glow a little and make the tip of its tail a dark-red. The pincirs should be VERY sharp if it's a deadly Pokemon. Also, every single dark type isn't happy [xept lc] so make his expression an unfriendly one. Maybe you can also show us how the ant is fast by making his legs scyth-shaped from its body and on the floor. Yep, that's all I got for now |
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Post by Galom on May 14, 2015 18:34:31 GMT 1
I think you can get away with making it a Dark-type if you just make it look less like a big ant. Make it more ambiguous. Give it some major difference. For example, on my swordfish 'mon I gave it a massive sailfish sail and an iron hide.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 14, 2015 18:39:47 GMT 1
Galom, Antonize has a large spiked tail and 4 tentacles that end in claws coming from its back... I think that's enough of a differentiation.
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Post by Snaquaza on May 14, 2015 18:51:37 GMT 1
Maybe combine it with ideas from another animal. Pokemon are rarely exactly a copy of an animal.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 14, 2015 18:53:15 GMT 1
It is NOT an exact copy! I got the IDEA of this pokemon from the army ant, and that's what influenced its design. It is NOT just a human-sized ant!
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Post by Galom on May 14, 2015 19:07:39 GMT 1
Galom, Antonize has a large spiked tail and 4 tentacles that end in claws coming from its back... I think that's enough of a differentiation. Why though? What anatomical purpose would these tentacles serve? They also don't modify the major anatomy of the creature; they're just added appendages. Also, "just add spikes" is not a good strategy. It makes a Pokemon look over designed (I'm looking at you, Mega Sharpedo). As Snaq said, give it some character. You could keep the typing and elements of an ant, but you could make it a much more generic figure. This would give you a lot more leeway with features without having to throw on tentacles or spikes. |
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Post by Cyberknight98 on May 14, 2015 19:11:10 GMT 1
This is Antonize's description from the OP: Antonize, similarly, has 4 legs and four tentacle-like appendages rising out of its back, similar in appearance and function of Antagon's. Antonize's body is much larger than Antagon's, with its legs getting larger to support it. Antonize mandibles grow together, forming a large, sharp beak. Antagon's spot on its back is replaced with a large 3-clawed slash mark. One of the most noticeable differences between Antagon and Antonize is Antonize's large, scorpion-like tail that is almost as long as its entire body length. The tail ends in a large spike at the end, with two smaller spikes branching off near the base.
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