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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 4:24:48 GMT 1
but I have done calcs to prove that the mons I gave it too, aren't seriously OP with their damage output
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Post by Hounds on Jun 14, 2015 4:26:54 GMT 1
Mm, maybe post the calcs to show that it wouldn't be too op. It would be perfectly fine if they aren't doing too much, but it heavily depends on what pokes it would affect the most. The problem with an ability like this is its ability to affect faster, and more frail pokemon. That's where my concern sprouts from.
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 4:35:45 GMT 1
252+ Atk Life Orb Praetino Force Palm vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 393-463 (61.2 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (140 Atk) And that doesn't even get Force Palm
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Post by Hounds on Jun 14, 2015 4:36:47 GMT 1
what is that supposed to prove lol
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 4:38:22 GMT 1
It's supposed to prove, that max attack (base 140) Life orb 60 BP move with Weakness, only 2HKO's Chansey
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Post by Hounds on Jun 14, 2015 4:43:59 GMT 1
how does that justify ohkoing fast pokes like weavile and making faster, more frail pokes less viable in the meta?
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 4:50:12 GMT 1
but weavile and those frail pokes all have Priority
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 4:51:53 GMT 1
And i'm giving it to majority frail pokes
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Post by Hounds on Jun 14, 2015 5:00:37 GMT 1
An ice shard isn't gonna ohko you, and a priority force palm will ohko weavile. I guess we'll have to do a bit of testing to see just how op it would be. Take your bp down to 40 and run the same calcs you did.
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 5:12:04 GMT 1
ok
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 5:13:43 GMT 1
252+ Atk Life Orb Praetino Rock Smash vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 265-312 (41.2 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 5:28:16 GMT 1
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hitmonchan: 103-122 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 1.6% chance to 2HKO, also you get damage back to you
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 20:56:58 GMT 1
Oh, by the way, I'd like to mention I have made it possible for fakeout to bypass protect if the mon is faster.
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Post by ladyleumas on Jun 14, 2015 21:13:00 GMT 1
Um doesn't this make fake out priority 4?
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Post by Flerovium on Jun 14, 2015 21:14:01 GMT 1
Um doesn't this make fake out priority 4? Yes, it does.
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 14, 2015 21:29:20 GMT 1
And Protect/Detect is also 4 (I believe)
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Post by Flerovium on Jun 14, 2015 21:33:35 GMT 1
And Protect/Detect is also 4 (I believe) The face when Fake Out can actually beat Protect...
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 15, 2015 7:36:11 GMT 1
And Protect/Detect is also 4 (I believe) The face when Fake Out can actually beat Protect... I Kinda already said that ( Snaquaza & Galom, approval?)
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Post by Galom on Jun 16, 2015 2:03:22 GMT 1
Ah, yea, I don't like the fact that Fake Out can go before Protect. That's very, very gamebreaking in Doubles. You'd probably have to throw in an exception or something.
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Post by woodboys23 on Jun 16, 2015 4:50:42 GMT 1
Ah, yea, I don't like the fact that Fake Out can go before Protect. That's very, very gamebreaking in Doubles. You'd probably have to throw in an exception or something. ok
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Post by woodboys23 on Aug 22, 2015 22:09:31 GMT 1
Bump ( i really want to see if this can get approved)
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Post by Kim BC on Aug 23, 2015 3:03:58 GMT 1
I'd like to see this get approved, I think it's a great idea. Tho I don't think Machamp should get this
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Post by jaywad on Aug 23, 2015 12:21:08 GMT 1
I'd say just adding the priority +1 to 40 BP moves and lower, and then give your fakemon moves that hurt 40 BP twice, like dual chop for example, or arm thrust even. Also, there are some Pokemon that don't really make sense. You say you gave this to only lightweight boxer pokemon right? Only Prateino [probably], hawlucha, and the infernape line make sense, and beginners only get 2 abilities so that's a no for them. Sawk is a martial arts user, machamp is a "heavy"weight champion, and the rest don't really make sense. Why pachirizu?! Why Crobat? Those don't really seem like lightweight boxers, and being fast isn't an excuse.
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Post by silverwhiteblue on Aug 24, 2015 7:00:45 GMT 1
I think the hitmon-s should definitly get this ability. It seemed to me a little overpowered at first, but if below 60 and under, its fine
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Post by megagallade on Aug 31, 2015 10:44:20 GMT 1
I'd say just adding the priority +1 to 40 BP moves and lower, and then give your fakemon moves that hurt 40 BP twice, like dual chop for example, or arm thrust even. Also, there are some Pokemon that don't really make sense. You say you gave this to only lightweight boxer pokemon right? Only Prateino [probably], hawlucha, and the infernape line make sense, and beginners only get 2 abilities so that's a no for them. Sawk is a martial arts user, machamp is a "heavy"weight champion, and the rest don't really make sense. Why pachirizu?! Why Crobat? Those don't really seem like lightweight boxers, and being fast isn't an excuse. ^ I 100% agree with this post. Personally I think under 60BP is slightly too much, and most normal priority of 40BP, so I was thinking 40BP moves would be better... Also, what abilities will you replace for the Pokemon? Then again, most have little to no justification. Along with what jaywad mentioned, why the Yanma family? It's a bit contradictory you state you give it to boxers then give them to racoons, bats, ferrets and dragonflies, as well as Martial Arts and Wrestling Pokemon... If anything, Hitmonchan may appreciate it instead because of Hitmonchan being the worst of the Hitmons currently. Seems like an interesting idea but how it's presented, imo, should be improved.
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