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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Dec 27, 2015 3:51:50 GMT 1
Besides digging underground, Agassi has a very similar niche in its environment to Boufalant, Gogoat and Sawsbuck. I have no clue why TrollFreak decided to give Sap Sipper to Goodra... Also, I hope my edit to the 3rd Pokedex entry helps to justify Agassi getting Sap Sipper, since it will need Sap Sipper after trying to eat a Grass-Type Pokémon.
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Post by kizzo212 on Dec 27, 2015 18:44:26 GMT 1
Following that logic, Pokemon drink water, so they should all get water absorb. I don't see how it fills the same niche as the cattle mon, and as mentioned there are like no grass types in the desert anyway.
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Dec 28, 2015 19:26:32 GMT 1
Cacnea, Maractus, and occasionally Trainer's Pokémon can be found in the desert. Agassi has its niche eating the plants that grow in the desert. It literally grazes before returning to its burrow.
But it's actually best to think of Sap Sipper as Agassi's unique adaptation. It has almost no way to distinguish Maractus/Cacnea from actual cacti, so it needs a defense against them because of its typing. While the odds of running into one might seem slim, Agassi munches on a lot of plants, which actually increases the odds of encountering the Grass-Types.
Say that 1 in 100 plants are either Cacnea or Maractus. Say Agassi munches on 10 plants per day. That would mean that Agassi has roughly a 9.6% chance of encountering a Cactusmon in a single day. Over the course of 10 days, the odds of Agassi not encountering a Cactusmon is roughly 36.6%. A Pokémon would need to adapt if it had a 63.4% chance of getting beat up at least once every 10 days.
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Post by Salient on Dec 28, 2015 21:27:35 GMT 1
Honestly, instead of arguing against everything everyone has been saying, why don't you actually accept these suggestions. I don't care if it's a desert turtle, it lives in the desert. In a desert, the land is more often than not barren and has very little "plant" Pokemon. All but two (Azumarill and Goodra) of the Pokemon that get Sap Sipper are cattle Pokemon, none of which live in the desert or are in anyway associated with it. Stop justifying Sap Sipper because "it eats plants", by that justification any herbivore or omnivore Pokemon should get Sap Sipper because they eat plants too, right? Why not give it just Shell Armor? Or Shell Armor AND something related to the desert?
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Dec 28, 2015 22:04:45 GMT 1
1.) It's a tortoise.
2.) It already has Shell Armor.
3.) Sap Sipper is an adaptation.
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Post by Salient on Dec 29, 2015 21:10:24 GMT 1
Alright, we talked a lot about Agassi today in chat, but you left so I'm pasting the conversation here. [12:19:07] +Salient: Also, give it rock climb by Egg Move or level up [12:19:12] +Salient: we're using ORAS's TMs [12:19:26] 9Destra: oh... Okay, will do [12:22:45] #kizzo212: and by "Maybe you should leave it until a little bit later just for balance." I kinda meant more like moving it to around lv20 [Dig] [12:23:26] +Kim BC: abosrbing heat =/= emitting heat [Fire Blast + Flamethrower] [12:24:09] #kizzo212: !ds ground type, flamethrower, !fire type, !dragon type all Arceus-Ground, Cubone, Geodude, Golem, Graveler, Groudon, Marowak, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Rhydon, Rhyhorn, Rhyperior [12:24:10] +Kim BC: what sports do they play [12:24:21] #kizzo212: like. idk. it could work [12:24:39] #kizzo212: but maybe its just a gen1 being silly thing [12:24:41] +Salient: those are all gen-1 mons [12:24:43] +Salient: lmao [12:24:52] +Salient: minus rhyperior, but his prevo is [12:25:17] +Kim BC: sandile gets fire moves [12:25:28] +Salient: incinerate, fire fang [12:34:56] #kizzo212: I guess giving it incinerate instead of flamethrower/fire blast could work [12:35:39] #kizzo212: its what sandile line and mandibuzz and scraggy get And a pastebin: pastebin.com/PZqqxQUh |
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Post by SirMinun on Jan 3, 2016 16:22:04 GMT 1
I dont not like this pokemon. In fact its quite the opposite, but your lack of viability for these abilities and moves and the fact that you dont seem to want to work with the suggestions given is gonna lead this poke into not being approved. You need to be flexible, or make it viable from the get go to avoid this problem. Pokemon with sap sipper are 1 of 2 things.
1. Pokemon that live in forests
2. Cattle or herd like pokemon
Agassi is neither, its not an adaptation its simply your preference. Your viability for it isnt really playing out. Shell Armor, Battle Armor, Reckless, shoot even my own ability Overcaution would fit it nicer than Sap Sipper would.
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Post by selfiehater on Jan 3, 2016 16:56:26 GMT 1
Look bro, I know how much you want it to be a Ground type with a Grass immunity, and I do get the idea of "you can't be weak to something if you eat it", but keep in mind that there are no saps to sip in a desert. Yes, there are plant-like Pokémon, there are actual plants, but none of them have saps. So Agassi cannot have developed an adaptation to eat baobab trees that live in the realm of the Little Prince eat saplings sprouting out of the ground as soon as they try to attack him.
So imo, just create an ability that gives you Grass neutrality (similar to Thick Fat) or immunity (like a Grass-type Levitate). This way, it is not weak to the only thing he eats, because I agree with you that it is just dumb for something to be weak to the only thing that it eats. Though you have to wait for that ability to be approved first.
Or come up with a better, preferably longer explanation in which you describe why it gets Sap Sipper in a better, more plausible, more convincing way.
Or, you can make two different forms of Agassi - one that lives in a desert (give that one water absorb or flash fire, those make much more sense than sipping saps) and one that lives in the savanna (and give this one sap sipper). Just like Gastrodon or Basculin.
Or, make it a Fire/Ground type and put Flare Blitz back on the mon - you should sap 20 points from SpA to Speed if you do that though. This way, it is not weak to the only thing he eats, though it is now 4x weak to the only thing it drinks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 20:04:58 GMT 1
Or, you can make two different forms of Agassi - one that lives in a desert (give that one water absorb or flash fire, those make much more sense than sipping saps) and one that lives in the savanna (and give this one sap sipper). Just like Gastrodon or Basculin. That idea, my friend, is a stroke of genius. |
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 17, 2016 1:33:04 GMT 1
I really do like the idea, but unfortunately, that would mean a complete concept change from a desert tortoise to a Galapagos Tortoise. What would you guys think?
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Post by Kim BC on Apr 17, 2016 7:21:35 GMT 1
I'd just prefer a desert one
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Post by kizzo212 on Apr 17, 2016 17:41:03 GMT 1
Yeah. I'd say to stick with just the desert tortoise, and maybe replace sap sipper with something like dry skin.
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 17, 2016 18:03:54 GMT 1
Dry Skin doesn't make sense in my opinion because the species is highly susceptible to drowning. Even more so than other tortoises. the only weaknesses I can see this guy having are to water and ice.
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Post by Salient on Apr 17, 2016 18:11:29 GMT 1
No votes for yes on Sap Sipper. Just give it Sand Veil and Shell Armor, honestly.
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Post by kizzo212 on Apr 17, 2016 18:49:34 GMT 1
Was suggesting Dry Skin as it seemed a better fit than water absorb which selfiehater suggested, wasn't particularly keen on it. But yeah, either just have sand veil and shell armour, or have a pretty standard third ability like sand force.
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 19, 2016 18:58:19 GMT 1
Everything has been fixed, so hopefully, Agassi can be approved now.
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 28, 2016 2:10:12 GMT 1
I will be redesigning Agassi in the future. It will get a design pattern on its shell, a larger horn, and a recoloration.
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Post by Devoxys on Apr 28, 2016 21:33:39 GMT 1
Base EXP Yield is 168.
Incinerate is questionable, but I remember you discussing with someone that you should keep it, so let me know its that is true.
Otherwise, let's see the design change and this should be good to go.
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 29, 2016 17:58:48 GMT 1
I've been told that Incinerate is okay because Krookodile and a few other Pokémon get it as their only Fire-Type special attack. I'll try and post the new design asap. EDIT: I have a draft the design on graph paper, but it doesn't include colors. And yes, I gave it a horn on its head, albeit a small one. I also want to add a gender difference where the males have longer tails. I'll want some critique before I finalize the design. imgur.com/ofdMG93 |
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 29, 2016 23:18:43 GMT 1
Agassi design v1.1 has been posted!
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Post by Devoxys on Apr 30, 2016 13:24:14 GMT 1
I can see where the horn is now, but it seems a bit impractical to attack with that. Maybe create a larger horn on the top of the shell as well?
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 30, 2016 14:54:21 GMT 1
That looked weird, tbh.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 19:29:04 GMT 1
If Burroworm and Agassi both like burrowing underground, and Agassi like to share their nests, and they are both in the Field group, they could be best buds  |
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on May 1, 2016 19:33:03 GMT 1
As long as Borroworm doesn't bother Agassi, they'll be just fine! Interestingly, Agassi will not share its burrow with members of its own species.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2016 19:49:24 GMT 1
That... is very unlogical. Family problems or something?
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