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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 17:56:50 GMT 1
I still think Ice should resist Grass. And, because of what you just said, keep the Steel-weakness.
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Post by kizzo212 on Feb 13, 2016 18:42:29 GMT 1
Yeah. I feel going with just the water and fairy resists are a bit of a better idea. Fairy is a very strong type, and water is also pretty strong, but I don't really see a need to nerf grass offensively. Steel may be a bit more deserving, but the idea of ice sculpting and such make enough sense.
A tip though is to read the whole thread before posting things to see if anyone has a similar idea.
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Post by pokemonvortex on Feb 13, 2016 23:18:03 GMT 1
Make Ice resist Fairy imo if we want to buff it. Fairy is a fairly "no downside" type, and to me it kinda makes sense, though I can't explain why. We can also make Ice neutral on Water and make it resist Water, as it freezes it, but I prefer the first option. Why Ice and Fairy? It makes no sense to me. Also, Water melts ice. It some thermal law but heat always travels from a "hotter" place to a "colder" place. When you put ice in your drink, it melts, doesn't it?
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Post by kizzo212 on Feb 13, 2016 23:54:59 GMT 1
Fairy is more for the balancing side of things than the practicality, but fairies could just not like the cold that much maybe. The physics you've mentioned is a bit wrong. Heat always travels from a "hotter" place to a "colder" place. When ice is in contact with water, the water will cool down, and the ice will heat up. Depending on the relative amounts and temperatures of both, there will be more freezing of the water, or more melting of the ice. If you put an ice cube in water, then yes it will melt, as the water is at room temperature (and the room in general is), meaning there's lots of heat to be transferred into a relatively small amount of ice, meaning it will melt. This is why water resisting ice makes sense. However, on the flipside, if you have a large body of ice, at below 0 degrees, if you add a small amount of water to it, the water will transfer all its heat to the ice body and will freeze, as there is enough ice to absorb the heat without melting. Therefore, ice resisting water also makes enough sense.
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Post by pokemonvortex on Feb 14, 2016 0:22:25 GMT 1
That's what I meant to write e.e
Also there are cold/winter fairies.
I'm sure there are better types that fairy should be not super effective on.
If Ice resisted Water, there would be a lot of Pokemon who would lose a weakness or gain x4 resistance.
Also Freeze-Dry.
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Post by kizzo212 on Feb 14, 2016 0:44:51 GMT 1
There are also fire fairies. And there's an ice/dragon type. So what if winter fairies can exist.
What do you mean by types that fairy should not be super effective on, we aren't changing anything to super effective?
What's the issue with Pokemon losing a weakness or gaining resistances if ice resists water? That's the whole point of buffing ice types.
Freeze dry is relevant why?
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Post by pokemonvortex on Feb 14, 2016 1:17:13 GMT 1
Freeze dry is an ice-type move that is good against water types. I meant not very effective. Ice doesn't seem like the best type to give fairy resistance to, even though it only resists itself. Honestly I don't know what else to give it to though.
So what if Kyurem exists? Not all fairies are fire or ice. A bunch of Pokemon have similar typings, like Volcanion, Hawlucha, Amaura, Corsola, etc. And there are ice dragons.
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Post by kizzo212 on Feb 14, 2016 1:32:23 GMT 1
Yes. that's what freeze dry is. But what relevance does it have in this argument? It's more about giving ice a resistance than giving fairy something to get resisted by. Ice needs more resistances, fairy should probably be a bit weaker. Thus seems like the best type to be resisted by ice is fairy. May not make as much sense as grass, but from a balance point of view works a lot better.
I'm confused about what you are trying to say with the last point. If anything it backs up the point I was making, that the existance of winter fairies doesn't mean that ice shouldn't resist fairy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 20:18:51 GMT 1
I feel Regigigas should have Intimidate as an ability instead of friggin slow start. Primal Groudon & Primal Kyogre are allowed to exist. And wouldn't the Colossal Pokemon intimidate you?
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Post by Cyberknight98 on Feb 23, 2016 20:27:25 GMT 1
I don't know if we'll have any outside legendaries in the game, though... We may only have Temponae and maybe a trio or rival to Temponae?
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Post by Salient on Feb 23, 2016 23:56:58 GMT 1
Regigigas has Slow Start because of its insane stats. Plus, it fits in flavor wise with its appearances in the anime and games.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on Feb 24, 2016 1:13:03 GMT 1
>Insane Stats >Equal to Rayquaza >Incredibly difficult to obtain >Came in the same gen as the other Normal Type legendary, Arceus.
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Post by Devoxys on Feb 24, 2016 13:44:53 GMT 1
Still makes sense because of flavour. And let's not forget that it has a better type combo than Rayquaza, has moves like Drain Punch or Earthquake to break past Rock and Steel types, and has better Attack, Speed and Defenses. Plus, Arceus is just 6x120 in terms of stats.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 15:36:56 GMT 1
Make Slow Start last for just 2 turns then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 15:41:35 GMT 1
I don't know if we'll have any outside legendaries in the game, though... We may only have Temponae and maybe a trio or rival to Temponae? We should have a list of which legends we will have in the game.
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Post by pokemonvortex on Feb 24, 2016 22:01:16 GMT 1
I don't know if we'll have any outside legendaries in the game, though... We may only have Temponae and maybe a trio or rival to Temponae? We should have a list of which legends we will have in the game. Don't we already have that other legendary? It looked like a dragon lmao. Anyways, I don't think we'll have outside legendaries, as they are unique to their games, and this game has its own unique legendaries.
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Post by Devoxys on Feb 26, 2016 13:40:09 GMT 1
On the note of our legendaries, we have only Temponae confirmed and completed. We have the web eater from the plot (unnamed and still not made) and we are using Rudrak as a placeholder (still riding a large wave of support, it might be brought back).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 20:08:13 GMT 1
Goodra needs to be part Poison. If you want reasons why, look at a picture of it.
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Post by kizzo212 on Apr 15, 2016 20:37:53 GMT 1
I don't think there's any need to retcon an existing Pokemon's typing, and would just cause unnecessary confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 20:44:07 GMT 1
So you're saying you have zero problems with Goodra's typing?
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Post by kizzo212 on Apr 15, 2016 20:48:22 GMT 1
Pretty much. A few Pokemon's typings do seem kinda questionable, but don't really see what we'd achieve from changing them. Gamefreak did what they did for a reason, and whilst we might be able to get away with altering the type chart a slight bit, changing pre-existing Pokemon's typings randomly would just cause even more confusion. And in general the type changes are to bring added balance to the game, whereas changing select Pokemon's typings wouldn't do anything major to the meta.
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Post by Cyberknight98 on Apr 15, 2016 21:06:56 GMT 1
Not to mention, there's a good chance we won't even have Goodra in game...
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Post by Anonymous Platypus on Apr 17, 2016 22:34:32 GMT 1
Actually, the reason behind water resisting ice makes sense. Ice in drinks doesn't really affect the temperature that much. In fact, the ice often cracks upon entry. Chemistry proves that it takes more energy to heat up water than ice.
EDIT: To fix the Slow Start problem: Primal Regigigas!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 19:42:22 GMT 1
Primal Regigigas? F**k no.
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Post by SirMinun on Apr 18, 2016 21:55:41 GMT 1
What about Delta Species? Like in the card game where the pokemon have an alternate typing maybe based on environmental or experimental changes.
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