[ti]Quality Control[/ti]Drableton, Dratecta, and Nestramal (Approved 0/3)

[selfiehater]

I have to disagree because Hydreigon, Tyrantrum, Dragalge, Zweilous, Audino, Tropius, Trevenant, Rhyperior, Gyarados, Feraligatr, Pidgeotto, and even Skrelp exist.

[Cyberknight98]

That rebuttal made no sense. You've gotta stop answering with "No, because X exists". I understand, but most of the names you listed make sense. Audino = Audible. It has huge ears. Skrelp = Kelp it looks like seaweed. Tyrantrum = Tyrannosaurus+Tantrum. Feraligatr = Feral Alligator. Tropius = Troposphere and has to do with levels of the jungle I think? I think Dratecta's name is the best out of the three. (but I think Dratector sounds better, just my opinion.)

[Devoxys]

selfiehater My point is that I used /learn to test some of the egg parents (like Razor Wind through Grovyle), and they showed up as "can only be learned by: gen 6 egg" or something like that. Its fine to have a few, but if that is the case, there can be only one parent line/all parent lines must learn it as an egg move. The Pokemon that gives to parent that move should be in a different egg group. Also, please list every Pokemon instead of line because a) some Pokemon in a line don't get the move (like Magikarp) and b) generalizing can be bad sometimes because for example, "the Nidos" shouldn't be there because Nidoqueen and Nidorina are in Undiscovered but the other Nidos are in Monster/Field. I recommend going through the egg moves and parents carefully.

Also, Razor Wind, Play Rough and somewhat for Earth Power are questionable. 

Finally, I have to agree with what Cyberknight is saying. Even "Centauraton", which is clearly Centaur+Automaton is being changed to just Autaur. 


PS. There is no need to quote and tag, it sends me 2 notifications if you do .-.

[selfiehater]

Sorry for the delay guys, a virus had attacked my computer.

Cyberknight98 , now I do not get your point, but if even something as awesome as "Centauraton" is being changed to "Autaur" for mouthful issues, I'm accepting new name suggestions. Please forgive my lack of understanding. Maybe I'll reimplement "Drable", idk.

Devoxys , do you mean I should delete some parents from the moves? If that's not what you were saying, I'm afraid I'm still not getting your point. Sorry. 

[Devoxys]

I'll put it this way:
1. Go use /learn [egg move], [parent]
2. If it says: [parent] can only learn through "gen 6 egg" and there are other parents that when put through /learn, it says "[parent]" can learn move" remove the chainbreeding parent(s) or the regular parents(s).
3. Instead of "Gyarados line" or "Charizard line" write: Gyarados, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard...

[Cyberknight98]

Devoxys Was that scrolling text intentional?

[Devoxys]

No, and I have no idea how it happened

[selfiehater]

Dec 16, 2015 21:28:34 GMT 1 Devoxys said:

I'll put it this way:
1. Go use /learn [egg move], [parent]
2. If it says: [parent] can only learn through "gen 6 egg" and there are other parents that when put through /learn, it says "[parent]" can learn move" remove the chainbreeding parent(s) or the regular parents(s).
3. Instead of "Gyarados line" or "Charizard line" write: Gyarados, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard...

And what do i do with tutor parents if i choose to keep the chainbreeding parents?

And what do i do with tutor parents if i choose to keep the regular parents?

In which situation should I remove tutor parents?

[selfiehater]

Devoxys , I nearly totally fixed the egg movepool, and completely removed Razor Wind, for I understood that it was not logical. I'll address After You and Earth Power after the "tutor parents" issue is addressed.

Now, I have five questions:

1. (Refer above for tutor parents issue.)
2. Should I put Dig somehow to the TMs?
3. Should I put Rain Dance and Sunny Day to the TMs, seeing that like nearly every freaking weather-unrelated mon learns it? (Now, I know u guys told me not to reason anything with "Because X learns/does it.", but there are an extremely enormous number of a whopping 416 weather-unrelated mons that learn Sunny Day and Rain Dance, and I am only freaking counting the mons that learn only both. There are 669 in total btw.)
4. Is anything unclear about the Fakémon?
5. Do you guys have any other suggestions?

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/ds sunny day | rain dance, !water type, !fire type, !grass type, !castform, !bronzong, !groudon, all:

Abra, Absol, Accelgor, Aegislash, Aerodactyl, Aggron, Aipom, Alakazam, Altaria, Amaura, Ambipom, Ampharos, Anorith, Arbok, Arceus, Ariados, Armaldo, Aromatisse, Aron, Articuno, Audino, Aurorus, Avalugg, Axew, Azelf, Azurill, Bagon, Baltoy, Banette, Bastiodon, Beartic, Beautifly, Beedrill, Beheeyem, Bergmite, Bidoof, Bisharp, Blissey, Blitzle, Bonsly, Bouffalant, Braviary, Bronzor, Buneary, Butterfree, Carbink, Chansey, Chatot, Chimecho, Chingling, Cinccino, Claydol, Clefable, Clefairy, Cleffa, Cofagrigus, Conkeldurr, Cranidos, Cresselia, Croagunk, Crobat, Cryogonal, Cubchoo, Cubone, Darkrai, Dedenne, Deino, Delcatty, Delibird, Deoxys, Dialga, Diancie, Diglett, Dodrio, Doduo, Donphan, Doublade, Dragalge, Dragonair, Dragonite, Drapion, Dratini, Drifblim, Drifloon, Drowzee, Druddigon, Dugtrio, Dunsparce, Duosion, Dusclops, Dusknoir, Duskull, Dustox, Eelektrik, Eelektross, Eevee, Ekans, Electabuzz, Electivire, Electrike, Electrode, Elekid, Elgyem, Emolga, Escavalier, Espeon, Espurr, Exploud, Farfetch'd, Fearow, Flaaffy, Flabebe, Fletchling, Floette, Florges, Flygon, Forretress, Fraxure, Froslass, Furfrou, Furret, Gabite, Gallade, Galvantula, Garbodor, Garchomp, Gardevoir, Gastly, Gengar, Geodude, Gible, Girafarig, Giratina, Glaceon, Glalie, Glameow, Gligar, Gliscor, Golbat, Golem, Golett, Golurk, Goodra, Goomy, Gothita, Gothitelle, Gothorita, Granbull, Graveler, Grimer,  Grumpig, Gulpin, Gurdurr, Happiny, Hariyama, Haunter, Hawlucha, Haxorus, Heliolisk, Helioptile, Heracross, Herdier, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, Hitmontop, Honchkrow, Honedge, Hoopa, Hoothoot, Hydreigon, Hypno, Igglybuff, Illumise, Inkay, Jigglypuff, Jirachi, Jolteon, Joltik, Jynx, Kadabra, Kangaskhan, Karrablast, Kecleon, Kirlia, Klefki, Koffing, Kricketune, Kyurem, Lairon, Larvitar, Latias, Latios, Ledian, Ledyba, Lickilicky, Lickitung, Liepard, Lillipup, Linoone, Lopunny, Loudred, Lucario, Lugia, Lunatone, Luxio, Luxray, Machamp, Machoke, Machop, Magnemite, Magneton, Magnezone, Makuhita, Malamar, Mamoswine, Mandibuzz, Manectric, Mankey, Mareep, Marowak, Masquerain, Mawile, Medicham, Meditite, Meloetta, Meowstic, Meowth, Mesprit, Metagross, Metang, Mew, Mewtwo, Mienfoo, Mienshao, Mightyena, Miltank, Mime Jr., Minccino, Minun, Misdreavus, Mismagius, Mothim, Mr. Mime, Muk, Munchlax, Munna, Murkrow, Musharna, Natu, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Nidoran-F, Nidoran-M, Nidorina, Nidorino, Nincada, Ninjask, Noctowl, Noibat, Noivern, Nosepass, Onix, Pachirisu, Pancham, Pangoro, Patrat, Pawniard, Persian, Phanpy, Pichu, Pidgeot, Pidgeotto, Pidgey, Pidove, Pikachu, Piloswine, Pineco, Pinsir, Plusle, Poochyena, Porygon, Porygon-Z, Porygon2, Primeape, Probopass, Pupitar, Purrloin, Purugly, Raichu, Raikou, Ralts, Rampardos, Raticate, Rattata, Rayquaza, Regice, Regigigas, Regirock, Registeel, Reuniclus, Rhydon, Rhyhorn, Rhyperior, Riolu, Rotom, Rufflet, Sableye, Salamence, Sandshrew, Sandslash, Sawk, Scizor, Scolipede, Scrafty, Scraggy, Scyther, Sentret, Seviper, Shedinja, Shelgon, Shelmet, Shieldon, Shinx, Shuckle, Shuppet, Sigilyph, Skarmory, Skitty, Skorupi, Skuntank, Slaking, Slakoth, Sliggoo, Slurpuff, Smeargle, Smoochum, Sneasel, Snorlax, Snorunt, Snubbull, Solosis, Solrock, Spearow, Spinarak, Spinda, Spiritomb, Spoink, Spritzee, Stantler, Staraptor, Staravia, Starly, Steelix, Stoutland, Stunfisk, Stunky, Sudowoodo, Swablu, Swalot, Swellow, Swinub, Swirlix, Swoobat, Sylveon, Taillow, Tauros, Teddiursa, Throh, Thundurus, Timburr, Togekiss, Togepi, Togetic, Tornadus, Toxicroak, Tranquill, Trapinch, Trubbish, Tyranitar, Tyrantrum, Tyrogue, Tyrunt, Umbreon, Unfezant, Ursaring, Uxie, Vanillish, Vanillite, Vanilluxe, Venipede, Venomoth, Venonat, Vespiquen, Vibrava, Vigoroth, Vivillon, Volbeat, Voltorb, Vullaby, Watchog, Weavile, Weezing, Whirlipede, Whismur, Wigglytuff, Woobat, Wormadam-Sandy, Wormadam-Trash, Xatu, Xerneas, Yamask, Yanma, Yanmega, Yveltal, Zangoose, Zapdos, Zebstrika, Zekrom, Zigzagoon, Zoroark, Zorua, Zubat, Zweilous, Zygarde

Edit: This scrolling text is fun.

[selfiehater]

I discovered you have to write 

(marquee) text (/marquee)

to write a scrolling text - replacing the ('s with ['s.

[Devoxys]

What do you mean by tutor parents?

No, and no. I don't see how an immobile/perfect sphere can dig or dance.

Ask for name suggestions.

Also, why is After You chain breed? All of the Pokemon can learn it naturally.

Suggestion: Perhaps we should just redo the egg moves. Go on Bulbapedia, find a Pokemon in only the Dragon Egg Group, the Monster Egg Group, or the Dragon/Monster egg group, and copy the egg moves and parents.

[selfiehater]

Um, you just unknowingly answered my question Devoxys. Tutor parents are the parents that pass tutor moves through breeding, and you just told me that they do count as regular parents. So, After You won't stay CB and Earth Power won't become CB.

[selfiehater]

Finally posted the long-awaited footprints. Moving to QC now, since it's not missing crucial data; don't you agree, Devoxys and Cyberknight98 ?

Edit: I'll get a designer to complete the artwork b4 moving to QC.

Edit #2: Moving this to QC due to Whis' advice, I'll l8r get a designer for myself.

[selfiehater]

Leafeon Devoxys Snaquaza Galom

[Salient]

Alright, I know you said you weren't the best drawer, but I think the design for Drableton could be a bit more creative. I mean, it being a perfect sphere is meh, and eventually evolving into a slug-type thing (assuming it's meant to, since the croissant shape you said a while ago). I can help you with the art, as I'm decent at it, but I think you should edit it.

[selfiehater]

It doesn't look like a slug.
Thanks for the offer, I'd really love some help on that rn, so I'll happily accept it. I'll PM you the unclear details later, and we'll discuss about the looks.

Also, is Vibrant Wave applicable to my Fakémon? I'd really like to add it as a tutor move, for it complements the colorful energy cores. Though idk if it clashes with the dark, deep, and metaphorical theme of the Fakémon.

[Devoxys]

The fate of Vibrant Wave is uncertain. The council might make it a Move Tutor, in which case most Pokemon would get it as a "universal Move Tutor" (like Snore).

[selfiehater]

bump

Leafeon

[Kim BC]

Intruiging Pokemon you got here, Dragon/Normal energy core. From what I've read, this is a ball-> standing lizard-> laying lizard. I think the movepool is a bit exaggerated but some of them do make sense while others don't:Dragon Rage+Calm Mind, Bulletproof, Pain Split, Stealth Rocks, Confusion, Agility, After You, Glare, Defog, Play Rough. The speed drop for the last evo is too much. I don't know how i feel about this, it seems a bit all over the place. The design you drew makes me question the designs of the other two since they both have different colors on their body and a completely different body style. It takes on drastic changes each time it evolves tho i think it should still sort of resemble the pre evo in some way. If you laid out all three pictures of these mons i don't think i would be able to tell they're all from the same line from what i'm imagining. I think it just has too many altering characteristics like protecting, energy, wings, ball, etc and that's why people are finding it hard to evaluate this mon.

[selfiehater]

Really? Kim, I thought you would read the second spoiler before writing this...

Writing explanations about the rest rn...

Bulletproof: Impenetrable/hard scales
Rocks: It can chip off some of its scales and lay them as rocks
Agility: Drableton rolls to get away from threats, Dratecta flies away rapidly to chase threats for Drableton.
Glare: It's head is literally a cobra.
Defog: It has huge wings, both Dratecta and Nestramal.

Also, Leafeon , where did you go bro? 

Edit: Remember, Kim, Dratecta has Drableton's pattern on its belly, hands, chest, feet, basically all over itself except its back, head, neck and toenails.

[Cyberknight98]

"Literally a cobra"?

Also, I agree that it shouldn't get stealth rocks. Chipping off scales does not equal floating rocks.

[Kim BC]

Bulletproof: Still signature
Rocks: scales=/=rocks
Glare: the first evo doesn't even have eyes so it would be better to move it to a level up move for the others instead of an egg move
Defog: Just cause it has wings doesn't mean it should get defog. A lot of dragon pokemon with wings don't get defog and seeing how super slow nestramal is, I doubt it could be using defog or agility for that matter


These don't seem humanoid at all and even so you're trying to give this pokemon a rlly Complex back story when nobody playing the game would be able to make these connections. These are just simple pokemon, save the back stories for legends.

[Leafeon]

QC  (1/3) QC is 0/3, as user is no longer a staff member.
Stealth Rock looks questionable but it is your choice of keeping it. (Many other Pokemon have little to no reasoning.)
Names are a bit of a mouthful but I know its really hard to find names
 
Great work and good luck

[selfiehater]

Thank you so much for the approval, Leafeon . n_n

Edit: I have a lot to say to be honest, Kim BC , because I disagree with a lot of things you said. Everything I do with this mon has a logical reason behind it, whether obvious or complex.

1. First of all, Bulletproof can actually be made an exception to the signature rule, and I'm not going to go whine about how it actually makes sense on my Fakémon (which it obviously does, do I actually need to support the logic behind it any further?). Instead I'll request y'all folks to look at the ability itself. Now, tell me guys, what are Bulletproof's counterparts? Yeah, you guessed it right.

    They are Magician and Protean, two very powerful abilities (even maybe arguably better than Bulletproof) which are gifted to the Delphox line and the Greninja line, the Chesnaught line's counterparts, respectively. Despite how powerful their impact are, we know that after a short time after their release, Protean was bestowed upon Kecleon without any hesitation from GameFreak; and after a relatively longer time, Magician was given to Hoopa with its official release.

Q: Now, how does this support anything? They could have been intending to make all these three as signature abilities at first.
A: Well, no. First of all, given Hoopa is already a legendary Pokémon, they could have easily created Hoopa an alternative signature ability -maybe something hyperspace related-, and ignore Kecleon just like the usual TrollFreak they are. However, they didn't do that because they never even intended to make any of these three abilities signature moves. Furthermore, hackers had already discovered Hoopa's ability was coded as Magician in the XY games long before Hoopa's teasers were even around during the time of ORAS. In addition to that, Kecleon had already had its HA coded as Protean at the very start. GameFreak never designed these abilities to be signature abilities, and would not even hesitate to give Bulletproof to another Pokémon line if they had another suitable design for the ability just like both Protean and Magician, and this is why we can actually make an exception with Bulletproof.

 2. The issue regarding Stealth Rocks... Well, Leafeon has actually pretty much justified it in my opinion. Many other Pokemon have little to no reasoning. However, I'll try to explain few of these small reasonings. Theoritacally Drableton, Dratecta, and Nestramal aren't the only Pokémon that chip something on their body to lay hazards.

- Happiny, Chansey, and Blissey chip pieces from their egg's shell and lay these chips as rocks.
- Druddigon also chips its dragon scales and lays them as rocks.
- Corsola chips the coral on its back and lays a piece of it as rocks.
- Geodude, Graveler, and Golem chip the rocks on their body and lay them.

Other than that, the move itself is generally given to Pokémon that have a hard, stiff body part (like the things on the Lake Trio's heads, they clearly look hard as stone), and the whole bodies of the entire Fakémon line are engulfed in hard scales, so...


To be continued...

(Please do not reply to this particular rebuttal until I finish the whole thing.)

    

[The Run]

Quite detailed. Very good after all the changes/modifications!