[ti]Rejected[/ti]Succuby and Voluccubus: [1/3] Approved

[Anonymous Platypus]

I had a stroke of genius that was so good, I couldn't resist posting this.

See ferrymanquill's designs for the art and pretend that Succuby has arms in its design.


Succuby
Evolves into Voluccubus with Shiny Stone

Type: Dark/Fairy
Species: Alluring
HT: 2'6"
WT: 17.6LBS

Dex Entries:

1.) It uses its hypnotic charm to attract prey so it can drain their life force. It is very adept at manipulation. Its victims almost never realize that their souls are being consumed.

2.) It uses its charm and its adept manipulation abilities to lure unsuspecting prey into letting their souls be consumed. Often, the victim never realizes that they are being tricked until the moment before death arrives.

Gender Ratio: 100F
Growth Rate: Fast
Base EXP: 66
Catch Rate: 150
Base Happiness: 70
Hatch Rate: 22 Cycles (5654 Steps)
Egg Groups: Human-Like, Amorphous
Dex Color: Pink

Ability: Cute Charm
DW:


Stats:

HP: 56
Atk: 64
Def: 42
SpA:40
SpD: 66
Spe: 62
BST: 330

Level-Up Moves:
-: Disarming Voice
-: Growl
-: Tail Whip
3: Play Nice
7: Soul Snatch
10: Charm
14: Feint Attack
17: Captivate
21: Enchanting Smooch
24: Attract
28: Draining Kiss
31: Fake Tears
35: Sweet Kiss
38: Foul Play
42: Flatter
45: Seductive Slam
49: Mean Look
52: Sucker Punch


TM/HM Moves:

04: Calm Mind
06: Toxic
10: Hidden Power
12: Taunt
17: Protect
21: Frustration
27: Return
29: Psychic
30: Shadow Ball
32: Double Team
41: Torment
42: Facade
44: Rest
45: Attract
46: Thief
48: Round
49: Echoed Voice
56: Fling
60: Quash
63: Embargo
66: Payback
70: Flash
77: Psych Up
87: Swagger
88: Sleep Talk
90: Substitute
94: Secret Power
95: Snarl
97: Dark Pulse
98: Power-Up Punch
99: Dazzling Gleam
100: Confide

HM06: Rock Smash


Tutor Moves:

Covet
Giga Drain
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Drain Punch
Knock Off
Hyper Voice
Foul Play
Focus Punch
Role Play
Spite
Trick
Snatch


Egg Moves:

• Hypnosis - Gengar, Hypno
• Hex - Gengar, Jellicent, Cofagrigus
• Flatter - Gothitelle
• Knock Off - Bisharp
• Nasty Plot - Spiritomb, Mismagius, Cofagrigus
  
• Shadow Punch - Muk
• Tickle - Gothitelle
• Follow Me - Lucario
• Grudge - Gengar, Weezing
• Confuse Ray - Gengar, Spiritomb, Mismagius

Voluccubus
Evolves from Succuby with a Shiny Stone

Type: Dark/Fairy
Species: Enchantress
HT: 5'5"
WT: 106.6LBS

Dex Entries:

1.) It can hypnotize both people and Pokemon to fall in love with it, often without the target's knowledge. It feeds on the souls of those it hypnotizes. The victim often never realizes their souls are being eaten until death arrives.

2.) Its hypnotic powers are strong enough to completely control what its victims experience while under its effects. It is extremely adept at manipulation, so its hypnosis often goes unnoticed.

Gender Ratio: 100F
Growth Rate: Medium Fast
Base EXP: 172
Catch Rate: 40
Base Happiness: 70
Hatch Rate: 22 Cycles (5654 Steps)
Egg Groups: Human-Like, Amorphous
Dex Color: Pink

Ability: Cute Charm
DW: Enchantment

Stats:

HP:  75
Atk: 91
Def: 74
SpA: 85
SpD: 85
Spe: 81
BST: 490


Level-Up Moves:
-: Night Slash
-: Play Rough
-: Perish Song

TM/HM Moves:

01: Hone Claws
04: Calm Mind
06: Toxic
10: Hidden Power
12: Taunt
15: Hyper Beam
17: Protect
21: Frustration
27: Return
29: Psychic
30: Shadow Ball
32: Double Team
40: Aerial Ace
41: Torment
42: Facade
44: Rest
45: Attract
46: Thief
48: Round
49: Echoed Voice
51: Steel Wing
56: Fling
60: Quash
61: Will-o-Wisp
63: Embargo
65: Shadow Claw
66: Payback
68: Giga Impact
70: Flash
77: Psych Up
87: Swagger
88: Sleep Talk
90: Substitute
94: Secret Power
97: Dark Pulse
98: Power-Up Punch
99: Dazzling Gleam
100: Confide

HM01: Cut
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash


Tutor Moves:

Covet
Giga Drain
Thunder Punch
Fire Punch
Drain Punch
Knock Off
Iron Tail
Hyper Voice
Foul Play
Focus Punch
Role Play
Spite
Trick
Snatch

Side Info:

Succuby and Voluccubus are based on a Succubus. "A succubus may take a form of a beautiful young girl but closer inspection may reveal deformities upon their bodies, such as bird-like claws or serpentine tails." - Wikipedia. This explains why Voluccubus gets a lot of claw-based moves. Prankster's Japanese name, literally meaning "Teasing Heart," is very fitting for this Pokémon, as it does nothing but tease others.

[ferrymanquill]

A succubusmon? don't we have jynx already?
Jokes aside, i think the idea is very good. Just need a good design to it.
(PS: if ya need a drawing, i can make one. got a little time to spare)
(PSS: you forgot the WIP tag)

[Salient]

Don't give this Prankster.

[Anonymous Platypus]

Dec 19, 2015 18:06:04 GMT 1 ferrymanquill said:

A succubusmon? don't we have jynx already?

Yes, but Jynx isn't based on a succumbus, I'm fairly certain it's based on the Yama-Uba. We really don't have a true succumbusmon.

[Devoxys]

Fix the spacing, its hard to read in this state.

One mon at a time.

Do a step range, instead of cycles.

Why does this get: Snatch, Focus Punch, Pain Split, Heat Wave, Dual Chop, The Elemental Punches, Drain Punch, Signal Beam, Power-Up-Punch, Snarl, X-Scissor, Shadow Claw, Incinerate, Overheat, Rock Tomb, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Brick Break, Dig, Night Slash, Hone Claws, and Phantom Force?

[SirMinun]

Why are its stats so bad? I mean its a great idea but make it useful, the last thing we want is a dark/fairy that is useless.

[Anonymous Platypus]

Dec 20, 2015 2:09:29 GMT 1 Devoxys said:

Fix the spacing, its hard to read in this state.

One mon at a time.

Do a step range, instead of cycles.

Why does this get: Snatch, Focus Punch, Pain Split, Heat Wave, Dual Chop, The Elemental Punches, Drain Punch, Signal Beam, Power-Up-Punch, Snarl, X-Scissor, Shadow Claw, Incinerate, Overheat, Rock Tomb, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Brick Break, Dig, Night Slash, Hone Claws, and Phantom Force?

I can justify most of the moves. It's based on a Succumbus, which is a humanoid demon with claws so that justifies the vast majority of the moves you listed.

[Salient]

Again, don't give this Prankster. I guess you could give it something such as Sheer Force, but Prankster isn't really justified. As for moves that don't make sense, Focus Punch, Pain Split, Heat Wave, Dual Punch, Elemental Punches, Signal Beam, Snarl, X-Scissor, Incinerate, Overheat, Rock Tomb, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Dig, and Phantom Force. Being "humanoid" doesn't justify it getting these moves, and some don't even make sense (such as fire moves, focus punch, signal beam). I suggest removing them.

[Anonymous Platypus]

Focus Punch & Elemental Punches: It has fully functional arms, and almost every Pokémon in the game that has arms gets Focus Punch and/or some Elemental Punches. Voluccubus is no exception. I removed Ice Punch because I realized it made no sense.



Signal Beam: I thought it made sense given the description of "the user shoots a sinister beam of light that may confuse the target." Thoughts?



Prankster: The Japanese translation of Prankster is "Teasing Heart", which is very fitting for a Succumbusmon, and it isn't too far off what GF has given Prankster to already.



Sheer Force: This ability literally makes no sense at all. Most of the Pokémon that get Sheer Force are tough-looking physical tanks. Voluccubus is not going to look tough, but beautiful/elegant and feminine instead.


Fire-Type moves: This Pokémon draws inspiration from a demon, which is the very reason why I gave Beelzebug Fire-Type attacks.

[Devoxys]

The Punches: Still makes no sense. Fine, keep Fire Punch, but the others still make no sense.

Signal Beam: No. Don't.

Fire Type Moves: Keep Flamethrower and Fire Punch, then LEAVE OUT THE REST

Giga Drain: Makes no sense.

Pain Split: Makes no sense.

Dual Chop: Makes no sense.

Bounce: Makes no sense.

X-Scissor: Makes no sense.

Poison Jab: Makes no sense.

Brick Break: Makes no sense.

Steel Wing: Makes no sense.

Though I do recommend that you talk to Snaquaza and chundermunch for Seductive Slam and Enchanting Smooch.

[Kim BC]

I'd like to see a design for this as Googling a succubus brought up intriguing results... I think prankster fits flavorwise and its not OP because the only moves it can really maje use of are thunder wave, will o wisp, and lovely kiss. Tho I would scrap lovely kiss because its specifically for jinx and thunder wave because it seems unreasonable. The BST is quite high for a prankter pokemon considering the highest prankster pokemon has a BST of 480. I would lower its HP or defenses since prankster pokemon are meant to be vulnerable. I would also add some other status moves to make use of this pokemon to replace the ones i said to get rid of: Copycat, Baton Pass and Follow Me. Also iirc there's already an accepted dark type with prankster named Jestrix so... yeah idk if another dark prankster would work

[ferrymanquill]

Devoxys, Giga Drain DO make sense, since she drains the life force of her victims, so giga drain. Come on, make as sense as it does on Volcarona.
Otherwise, the other moves....yeah, kinda need to agree with you, makes little sense.

[Anonymous Platypus]

Giga Drain: I refer you to Succuby's Pokedex. "It uses its hypnotic charm to attract prey so it can drain their life force."

Steel Wing: Voluccubus has wings, and I'm almost done with the design. I'll have it posted shortly

[Kim BC]

Wow your such a great artist, you should consider making art for other Pokemon. On the other hand I think the design is too sexualized like how feminine and seductively looking it is which makes sense for a sucubuss but not for a Pokemon. By "charming" I was thinking of a more cute and playful monster that lures people. A full on girl with wings isnt good for a gaming audience.

[ferrymanquill]

The design is nice..but is not very pokemon-ish. Even gardevoir looks more like a pokemon. Well, I do have a design myself, but I need the OP permission to post it.

[Anonymous Platypus]

ferrymanquill I allow you to post it.

[ferrymanquill]

here. Succuby and Voluccubus. I tried to make it the most Pokemonically possible. And, if you ask why Voluccubus can trick humans if shes not human-like, well, succubus are famous for creating illusions.

[Anonymous Platypus]

I really like the final evolution! I would personally add short arms to the first evo.

[ferrymanquill]

I was considering puttin hands on it, but i didnt saw any punch moves. if anything, she can use her tail. But, im glad you liked it

[Anonymous Platypus]

Succuby gets Fire Punch, Thunder Punch, Focus Punch, Power-Up Punch, Drain Punch, Rock Smash, and Sucker Punch (idk if that counts).

[Salient]

Dec 20, 2015 23:32:48 GMT 1 Devoxys said:

The Punches: Still makes no sense. Fine, keep Fire Punch, but the others still make no sense.

Signal Beam: No. Don't.

Fire Type Moves: Keep Flamethrower and Fire Punch, then LEAVE OUT THE REST

Giga Drain: Makes no sense.

Pain Split: Makes no sense.

Dual Chop: Makes no sense.

Bounce: Makes no sense.

X-Scissor: Makes no sense.

Poison Jab: Makes no sense.

Brick Break: Makes no sense.

Steel Wing: Makes no sense.

Though I do recommend that you talk to Snaquaza and chundermunch for Seductive Slam and Enchanting Smooch.

With the design, all of this doesn't make sense. Fix it.

[Anonymous Platypus]

Salient , are you talking to me or Devoxys?

[Salient]

Dec 22, 2015 21:02:23 GMT 1 Anonymous Platypus said:

Salient , are you talking to me or Devoxys?

You.

[Anonymous Platypus]

Okay, so which moves do you not understand and why? If Wooper doesn't need arms to use Ice Punch, then I'm not sure how it does NOT make sense for a Pokémon WITH ARMS AND HANDS to use Punch-based attacks.

[Deleted]

BADADADABUM
Just a little something to wake up this mon. Carbonare and Flammoxis came out of the dead, so why not these?